UPS: tentative agreements were not ratified

[Wellitjusthappened]

50000 say no
42000 say yes
110000 say I couldn’t care less

You be shocked how many full timers didn’t vote

 

[PT Car Washer]

You be shocked how many full timers didn’t vote

No I wouldn't. Most are new or don't feel like their vote matters. Mostly higher seniority FT and PT are regular voters and try to stay informed. There also is a lot of misinformation out there.

 

[just chillin']

You be shocked how many full timers didn’t vote

Probly 50% of them. Not shocked at all. I’ve been around awhile. This is the best worst total turnout we ever had

 

[PT Car Washer]

Probly 50% of them. Not shocked at all. I’ve been around awhile. This is the best worst total turnout we ever had

I too was amazed at the high voter turn out. I expected high 30%.

 

[Wellitjusthappened]

Probly 50% of them. Not shocked at all. I’ve been around awhile. This is the best worst total turnout we ever had

12yrs for me part time sorter and I can say that good chunk of full timers aren’t even in the union

 

[Wellitjusthappened]

No I wouldn't. Most are new or don't feel like their vote matters. Mostly higher seniority FT and PT are regular voters and try to stay informed. There also is a lot of misinformation out there.

At my local it takes 10 or so year to go full time unless you win a driver position

 

[Shift 2]

When did I say I was either an officer or agent?

What are you going to do now that the master has passed and your supplement has passed?

Obviously you are a man who wants what is right. It appears that you are now, not only stuck with 22.4 drivers but Part Time Feeder drivers. Since you are such a truth seeker what will you do to expose this obvious oversight in pushing for the passage of a supplement but voting down a master?

Where in the contract does it allow part time feeder drivers

 

[Grey]

You be shocked how many full timers didn’t vote

When is the last day to vote?

 

[Wellitjusthappened]

When is the last day to vote?

Last Friday

 

[LagunaBrown]

LOL.

 

[1989]

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LOL.

That’s all he’s got. He never has a counter argument

 

[zubenelgenubi]

That’s all he’s got. He never has a counter argument

I seem to remember getting a "creative" or two from you with no follow up. I'd be more than happy to have you show me where I'm wrong. I have zero problems admitting it, and usually thank people who take the time to straighten me out.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I seem to remember getting a "creative" or two from you with no follow up. I'd be more than happy to have you show me where I'm wrong. I have zero problems admitting it, and usually thank people who take the time to straighten me out.

I’ll straighten you out alright but first re read the posts and take a second to realize it was not you we are talking about. LOL!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I’ll straighten you out alright but first re read the posts and take a second to realize it was not you we are talking about. LOL!

I wasn't talking to or about you, just calling out @1989 for his hypocrisy, which he's proven again.

 

[Griffin1820]

Not enough of the people's votes were counted. Fixed it for you!



Until the lawsuit hits. It was never said nor eluded to that this was the final offer! Those two words, "final offer," will carry the day!

Dennis Taylor's next job will put him officially on the UPS payroll, no more money under the table or put into offshore bank accounts! Hoffa Jr. is done! He'll ride off into the sunset knowing he ed 1/2 million UPS Teamsers!

Unfortunately I believe the constitution does have some defining language about a final offer being an agreement that was put to a vote. I may be wrong.

 

[East coast navy]

So your saying the people that didn’t vote should help determine the outcome for the majority? If you don’t vote, it shouldn’t influence the outcome. It’s being used as a yes vote essentially. Even UPS is confused by the IBT behavior. I actually love it! This will be a cakewalk for Sean now.

I totally agree! This is making it so easy for Sean the next election. Maybe sooner then we think!

 

[East coast navy]

You be shocked how many full timers didn’t vote

You would be shocked how many did...

260,000 full time members.

209,000 were good standing. (Who do you think wasn’t good standing)

We as the full timers are out numbered by the part timers.

Do the math. I say the part timers were the big reason we couldn’t go over the 50% member vote.

 

[LagunaBrown]

You would be shocked how many did...

260,000 full time members.

209,000 were good standing. (Who do you think wasn’t good standing)

We as the full timers are out numbered by the part timers.

Do the math. I say the part timers were the big reason we couldn’t go over the 50% member vote.

They normally don’t vote, you are probably right.

 

[DELACROIX]

The good news about this would be that the company will go back to business and start terminating some of these newbie part timers that they barely tolerated over the last three months for the sake of getting the numbers to pass this contract.

This contract will not be ratified for a long, long time just how many of these kids are going to be hanging around for 11 or 12 bucks an hour for that kind of commitment and work when the starting hourly wage in other places is over 15.

Our potential part time replacements will be like the line in that Cher song (Gypsies, tramps and thieves).

 

[wilberforce15]

Why should anyone in future contract voting take the time to vote?
It is quite apparent that our votes do not count when there are agendas in place.
If a 2/3 majority is needed of those votes cast, it should play both ways. 2/3 to pass 2/3 to fail.
Once part time union employees are factored out(because we all know that the majority of them do not care about contracts as they rarely make it through 2 consecutive contracts) the percentages are well above 50 %.

Maybe instead of factoring them out and pretending they don't exist, give them a decent job, treat them like brothers in the union, and then watch them vote and participate at the same rate as everyone else.

Nah, screw em and stop counting them.Thats easier.