What is happening in Syria. Regime fallen?

[Over70irregs]

which leads to:

which leads to what the hell are you responding to ?

Damn…..too lazy to go back. Ummm……err…. !!!!!!!

 

[catstalking]

some of those early wars were pretty unified

Table​

Conflicts considered as wars by the Israeli Ministry of Defense (as they were named by Israel) are marked in bold.[3]

Conflict	Combatant 1	Combatant 2	Results	Israeli commanders	Israeli losses
Israeli Prime Minister	Defense Minister of Israel	Chief of Staff of the IDF	IDF forces	Civilians
War of Independence (1947–1949)	Israel	Egypt Iraq Transjordan Syria Lebanon Saudi Arabia Kingdom of Yemen Holy War Army ALA	Victory Arab League invasion of former Mandatory Palestine repelled. Armistice Agreements; Israel captured 50% of area allotted to Arab state.	David Ben-Gurion	Yaakov Dori	4,074[4]	~2,000[4]
Sinai War (1956)	Israel United Kingdom France	Egypt	Victory Sinai demilitarized, UNEF deployed.	Moshe Dayan	231	None
Six-Day War (1967)	Israel	Egypt Syria Jordan Iraq	Victory Israel captured the Gaza Strip, Sinai, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.	Levi Eshkol	Moshe Dayan	Yitzhak Rabin	776–983	20

the 47 war was just the first 4, the rest didn't matter and the first 4 barely mattered either
the other wars were just Jordan and Egypt getting beat up while the Syrians occasionally gave the Israelis a run for their money

also 4 countries (out of dozens of arab nations) with wildly different motives and zero coordination doesn't make "unity"

 

[catstalking]

you could argue that he was the president and ultimate decider at the time.

i dont think the President has been the ultimate decider of anything since JFK was murdered by the CIA

 

[catstalking]

What do you think the reasoning for the Middle East being such crap is? I’m about halfway through the video on Africa you recommended, which is fascinating, I’m wondering if there’s some parallels to the Geography issue?, but on the other hand obviously some parts do pretty well in terms of oil and stuff and have plenty of money

I’ve read that it’s hard to “control” because they don’t view any sense of loyalty in terms of country but rather small sections within the countries

read "Why Arabs Lose Wars", there's enough that covers their tribal culture to get the gist of everything else

They were obviously smart people at one point, with their advancements in math long ago, and looking at pictures of some places as recent as the 70s it almost looks like America, with the women dressing normal and being educated

Both those were due to Persia and Persia only. Notice the immediate and forever drop in any advances out of "the Middle East" after the Mongols wiped out Persia.

Persia carried the whole ing thing for thousands of years and once they weren't in charge, the rest went to

I’ve read there is a big problem with inbreeding, I don’t know how true that is or how much of a cause it is?

What caused them to move so far back so quickly?

Bad genetics and yet another inferior desert magician religion, but without the unity of Christianity or moral ambiguity of Judaism

 

[catstalking]

I think the two wars that Israel fought with.multiple Arab countries would contradict your point of view. Anwar Sadat and the Egyptian leadership paid a terrible price for making peace with Israel.

He died because they got their ass stomped, not because he made peace. It's a fine difference but there it is

Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

Saudi Arabia is literally the friendliest country in the ME with Israel, their Intelligence service bankrolled these guys, and every outcome from 9/11 has been favorable to Israel

what a series of coincidences!

There are factions throughout the Middle East that hate Israel and the U.S. with a passion.

Yeah that tends to happens when you bomb them and assassinate their elected leaders.

Doesn't mean that they're all in lockstep working towards our destruction. But I wouldn't want to be a moderate Muslim openly speaking out against the extremists there.

It's not about Islam, it's about simple power politics

 

[vantexan]

He died because they got their ass stomped, not because he made peace. It's a fine difference but there it is


Saudi Arabia is literally the friendliest country in the ME with Israel, their Intelligence service bankrolled these guys, and every outcome from 9/11 has been favorable to Israel

what a series of coincidences!


Yeah that tends to happens when you bomb them and assassinate their elected leaders.


It's not about Islam, it's about simple power politics

He died because what became the Muslim Brotherhood couldn't bear living in peace with Israel. If you remember it wasn't until General Sisi overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood controlled government that relations got better.

No, while the Saudi royal family tried to get along because they were concerned more about Iran than Israel. But the Wahhabist movement in Saudi Arabia was very anti Israel.

Name one conservative Muslim country where moderate Muslims openly speak out against the conservatives in charge without seriously.endangering themselves and their families?

 

[newfie]

the 47 war was just the first 4, the rest didn't matter and the first 4 barely mattered either
the other wars were just Jordan and Egypt getting beat up while the Syrians occasionally gave the Israelis a run for their money

also 4 countries (out of dozens of arab nations) with wildly different motives and zero coordination doesn't make "unity"

oh i think they mattered. they don't fight wars to get better ice cream

 

[newfie]

i dont think the President has been the ultimate decider of anything since JFK was murdered by the CIA

that would certainly be true of the current administration. going back further than biden you could make that argument. the swamp seems to do what the swamp wants to do regardless of who is in power.

 

[Over70irregs]

Israel grabbing Syria land?

 

[vantexan]

Israel grabbing Syria land?

Are they?

 

[catstalking]

He died because what became the Muslim Brotherhood couldn't bear living in peace with Israel. If you remember it wasn't until General Sisi overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood controlled government that relations got better.

No, while the Saudi royal family tried to get along because they were concerned more about Iran than Israel. But the Wahhabist movement in Saudi Arabia was very anti Israel.

Name one conservative Muslim country where moderate Muslims openly speak out against the conservatives in charge without seriously.endangering themselves and their families?

is this a serious question? name one authoritarian country where anyone can speak out against the government?

they have authoritarian governments because we literally back, support, and arm those authoritarians to the teeth and assassinate anyone that threatens that status quo

that's not even conspiracy theory, that's literal US history in the ME

 

[catstalking]

Israel grabbing Syria land?

Lebensraum

 

[newfie]

is this a serious question? name one authoritarian country where anyone can speak out against the government?

they have authoritarian governments because we literally back, support, and arm those authoritarians to the teeth and assassinate anyone that threatens that status quo

that's not even conspiracy theory, that's literal US history in the ME

while that has been our history its the chinese and russians as of late who are supporting the despots.

there are always pimps and whores to be found.

 

[Over70irregs]

Lebensraum

Never let a crisis go to waste

 

[vantexan]

is this a serious question? name one authoritarian country where anyone can speak out against the government?

they have authoritarian governments because we literally back, support, and arm those authoritarians to the teeth and assassinate anyone that threatens that status quo

that's not even conspiracy theory, that's literal US history in the ME

Well known fact. And the Middle East has authoritarian governments that put in a theocratic Islamic state after overthrowing the U.S. backed, Western friendly governments. You are aware of that aren't you?

 

[catstalking]

while that has been our history its the chinese and russians as of late who are supporting the despots.

there are always pimps and whores to be found.

no we are too

 

[catstalking]

Well known fact. And the Middle East has authoritarian governments that put in a theocratic Islamic state after overthrowing the U.S. backed, Western friendly governments. You are aware of that aren't you?

you're only describing Iran, you're aware we assassinated their democratically elected leader to install a despot right?

 

[Thebrownblob]

you're only describing Iran, you're aware we assassinated their democratically elected leader to install a despot right?

See

Eye

Aye

 

[vantexan]

you're only describing Iran, you're aware we assassinated their democratically elected leader to install a despot right?

And their despot was overthrown with an Islamic theocracy. I'm also describing Iraq. Syria was a client state of Russia and Iran. The Taliban has overthrown the democratically elected puppet regime of the U.S. and has installed a theocracy in Afghanistan. The Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt until they were forced out by the pro West military. Libya forced out their anti-West dictator but the country is in a total mess. Yemen is anti tweet too and pro-Iran.

The problem with a lot of Americans is you think the whole world revolves around what the U.S. wants and does. No doubt the U.S. seeks to influence many countries to do what we want but in the end, unless we send in the troops, it often blows up in our faces. And sending in troops is no guarantee.

 

[newfie]

no we are too

if we are we're doing a terrible job of it. maybe the chinese can teach a class