What is happening in Syria. Regime fallen?

[newfie]

you're only describing Iran, you're aware we assassinated their democratically elected leader to install a despot right?

the british in 1953 over oil rights.
the US's role is questionable. Truman opposed our intervention in Iran

 

[catstalking]

the british in 1953 over oil rights.
the US's role is questionable. Truman opposed our intervention in Iran

it's not, its declassified fact, we engineered the guys assassination and Eisenhower was the President, not Truman

 

[catstalking]

if we are we're doing a terrible job of it. maybe the chinese can teach a class

the Chinese and Russians aren't great at it either, nobody is really good at Empire because it's inherently against human nature in the long run

they SEEM good at it because they take a mostly laissez-faire approach to it, without direct meddling

we, of course, can't help but meddle in everything and force our beliefs on our vassals constantly, leading to greater blowback; it also doesn't help that historically we've chosen the worst possible political candidate in basically every country we've ever meddled in the elections of

>"hey CIA, we have 3 guys to choose from: 1. is a socialist, 2. is a Western educated guy who doesn't like commies, but isn't a total psycho either, 3. is a total psycho who says he hates commies but if we stop paying him for a second, he'll turn on us".
>"yeah i think #3 is the best, lets murder #2 but leave #1 as an opposition so eventually our plan goes to anyways!"
>"sounds good CIA!"

 

[catstalking]

And their despot was overthrown with an Islamic theocracy. I'm also describing Iraq. Syria was a client state of Russia and Iran. The Taliban has overthrown the democratically elected puppet regime of the U.S. and has installed a theocracy in Afghanistan. The Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt until they were forced out by the pro West military. Libya forced out their anti-West dictator but the country is in a total mess. Yemen is anti tweet too and pro-Iran.

The problem with a lot of Americans is you think the whole world revolves around what the U.S. wants and does. No doubt the U.S. seeks to influence many countries to do what we want but in the end, unless we send in the troops, it often blows up in our faces. And sending in troops is no guarantee.

sooooo basically you agree with me that foreign intervention really isn't our thing and we should mind our own business?

i mean took you a few months of bad posting but congrats i guess, lets start with cutting funding to Israel

 

[newfie]

it's not, its declassified fact, we engineered the guys assassination and Eisenhower was the President, not Truman

not so, there is much on the foreign front in ancient times that we can take the blame for but this one was a british thing that we really didnt want to get involved in.

 

[newfie]

the Chinese and Russians aren't great at it either, nobody is really good at Empire because it's inherently against human nature in the long run

china is systematically buying there way into many countries using loans and economic development to lock in cooperation from those countries. Its the old domino theory with modern finance tactics.

Russia has developed some strong alliances with countries that were not generally considered russian allies in the past such as north korea and india. Russia also maintains influence over many other countries because of their cheap oil.

the US on the other hand has lost considerable influence in the world especially under the biden administration.

you sound like you're stuck in the traditional hate the United States foreign policy positions that were more relevant a few decades ago.

you may want to step away from those bashes and take a fresh look at world events. the landscape has changed.

 

[Lineandinitial]

Russia has developed some strong alliances with countries that were not generally considered russian allies in the past such as north korea and india. Russia also maintains influence over many other countries because of their cheap oil.

You didn't mention the Dark Continent where Russia is making Billions on Gold, Diamonds, Oil, etc. to fund their war with UKR. They kicked the US out of Niger, Mali, and Chad and now occupy the US built facilities and use the equipment we left behind. No one gives a about the UN, but the African "nations" make up a large portion of the votes and Russia uses this to drag out getting hit with more "crippling sanctions" bumbling biden talked about.
It will takes years of effort to reverse the damage obama & bumbling biden have done to the balance anything looking like harmony here and around the world.

 

[catstalking]

not so, there is much on the foreign front in ancient times that we can take the blame for but this one was a british thing that we really didnt want to get involved in.

the british are absolutely at fault as well, but Dulles wanted it hard

 

[catstalking]

china is systematically buying there way into many countries using loans and economic development to lock in cooperation from those countries. Its the old domino theory with modern finance tactics.

Belt & Road is a stupid plan that is going to blow up in their faces one day because it doesn't work if you don't have a Navy that can enforce it, and they don't and probably never will; if they can somehow fight their way out of the South China Sea past the USN

the idea they'll control big chunks of random parts of the world because some piece of paper says they do is INSANE; this is the old imperial playbook, but it only works when you can project power, and they can't

Russia has developed some strong alliances with countries that were not generally considered russian allies in the past such as north korea and india. Russia also maintains influence over many other countries because of their cheap oil.

i wouldn't call India an alliance, India is kind of a political parasite that enjoys the attention but really can't pay anything back because their society is corrupt and dysfunctional to the core

the US on the other hand has lost considerable influence in the world especially under the biden administration.

Influence on countries we don't need and never should have had

you sound like you're stuck in the traditional hate the United States foreign policy positions that were more relevant a few decades ago.

We've had a mostly trash foreign policy since 1914 but we went into stupidity overdrive during the Cold War

you may want to step away from those bashes and take a fresh look at world events. the landscape has changed.

it's slowly resetting to the mean as we've trashed our own finances to pay for a whole lot of........nothing on the international stage

look at all the trillions we've spent for this "foreign influence" and the moment we show weakness, it starts to vanish; what lesson does that tell you? George Washington was 100% right in his parting address and none of what he said has changed in principle since then

 

[vantexan]

sooooo basically you agree with me that foreign intervention really isn't our thing and we should mind our own business?

i mean took you a few months of bad posting but congrats i guess, lets start with cutting funding to Israel

Of course you say that. You hate Israel, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? So you're sympathetic to the Muslims at the expense of the Jews. I'm not worried about the Muslims who remain peaceful. Just those that are intolerant of any religion other than their own. They cause trouble throughout the world. It isn't the Jews you hate committing terrorist attacks in Africa and India. There's a reason Japan won't let Muslims immigrate there.

And so we're clear if we are going to import millions of people into the U.S. it should've been all the Israeli Jews. We'd get very capable newcomers who speak English and the Muslims would have to seek another enemy to attack. But then people like you wouldn't have been happy, huh?

 

[newfie]

the british are absolutely at fault as well, but Dulles wanted it hard

you're putting your own spin on this issue to overstate the US involvement.

While both the US and Britain were involved in the 1953 coup in Iran, it's generally accepted that the British were the initial instigators.

Here's why:

• British interests: The primary motivation behind the coup was the nationalization of Iran's oil industry by Prime Minister Mosaddegh. This directly threatened British economic interests, as the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), later known as BP, had been controlling Iran's oil resources.
• Initial proposal: The British initially proposed the idea of a coup to the US during the Truman administration. However, Truman declined to participate.
• US involvement: When Eisenhower took office, the British again pushed for the coup, and the US, under the new administration and with concerns about Soviet influence, agreed to participate.

Therefore, while the US ultimately played a crucial role in executing the coup through the CIA's Operation Ajax, the initial idea and the primary motivation came from the British. They were the ones who felt most threatened by Mosaddegh's policies and actively sought to remove him from power.

 

[newfie]

i wouldn't call India an alliance, India is kind of a political parasite that enjoys the attention but really can't pay anything back because their society is corrupt and dysfunctional to the core

a billion indians being controlled and influenced by the russians is not something to dismiss to make an argument.

 

[catstalking]

Of course you say that. You hate Israel, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? So you're sympathetic to the Muslims

I'm not whatsoever sympathetic to the Arabs, except as underdogs fighting an enemy with infinite money and weapons

If we cut the aid off, I wouldn't care what the Israelis did to them, it wouldn't be my business

at the expense of the Jews. I'm not worried about the Muslims who remain peaceful. Just those that are intolerant of any religion other than their own. They cause trouble throughout the world. It isn't the Jews you hate committing terrorist attacks in Africa and India. There's a reason Japan won't let Muslims immigrate there.

Yes, different cultures don't mix, I've been saying that over and over, this isn't a shocking revelation

And so we're clear if we are going to import millions of people into the U.S. it should've been all the Israeli Jews.

Jesus Christ lol, here we go

Yeah let's import all the grandkids of former Russian and Ukrainian commies who were too nuts for the Soviet Union into America, great idea

Also the highest per capita pedophiles and homos in the world, no thanks

We'd get very capable newcomers who speak English and the Muslims would have to seek another enemy to attack. But then people like you wouldn't have been happy, huh?

If you hate Muslims so much move to Israel and join the IDF, as an American none of them are my friends

 

[catstalking]

you're putting your own spin on this issue to overstate the US involvement.

While both the US and Britain were involved in the 1953 coup in Iran, it's generally accepted that the British were the initial instigators.

Here's why:

• British interests: The primary motivation behind the coup was the nationalization of Iran's oil industry by Prime Minister Mosaddegh. This directly threatened British economic interests, as the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), later known as BP, had been controlling Iran's oil resources.
• Initial proposal: The British initially proposed the idea of a coup to the US during the Truman administration. However, Truman declined to participate.
• US involvement: When Eisenhower took office, the British again pushed for the coup, and the US, under the new administration and with concerns about Soviet influence, agreed to participate.

Therefore, while the US ultimately played a crucial role in executing the coup through the CIA's Operation Ajax, the initial idea and the primary motivation came from the British. They were the ones who felt most threatened by Mosaddegh's policies and actively sought to remove him from power.

I never said the British didn't instigate, but ultimately we pulled it off

 

[vantexan]

I'm not whatsoever sympathetic to the Arabs, except as underdogs fighting an enemy with infinite money and weapons

If we cut the aid off, I wouldn't care what the Israelis did to them, it wouldn't be my business

Yes, different cultures don't mix, I've been saying that over and over, this isn't a shocking revelation

Jesus Christ lol, here we go

Yeah let's import all the grandkids of former Russian and Ukrainian commies who were too nuts for the Soviet Union into America, great idea

Also the highest per capita pedophiles and homos in the world, no thanks

If you hate Muslims so much move to Israel and join the IDF, as an American none of them are my friends

ROFLMAO

 

[catstalking]

a billion indians being controlled and influenced by the russians is not something to dismiss to make an argument.

I have a pretty low opinion of India, controlled by the Russians they are not though

Indians simply reject the Western view of how the world works, once you do that Russias position, even if still wrong, isn't unimaginably evil or anything like we portray

 

[newfie]

I never said the British didn't instigate, but ultimately we pulled it off

we threw gas on the fire . the iranians did the rest.

and we would do it again today in a minute against the current "democratically elected" leader of Iran.

 

[newfie]

I have a pretty low opinion of India, controlled by the Russians they are not though

Indians simply reject the Western view of how the world works, once you do that Russias position, even if still wrong, isn't unimaginably evil or anything like we portray

not the ones i know.

 

[Over70irregs]

As soon as you get the boot your chic leaves…

 

[Doublestandards]

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