What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[Commercial Inside Release]

Why?

Why is the picket line going to be interesting?

Because the strike hasn't even started, and you guys are squabbling like dogs in a pen. The full time versus part time divide is where the whole strike may fall apart, unless the antagonism stops.

If there is a strike, no telling how long it may go.

 

[HarryWarden]

I worked at UPS for over 20 years and one of the main changes I saw during that time was the quality of human beings that were new hires.

In the last few years it seemed only the dregs of society started coming through the door, people that were barely capable of having a drivers license let alone becoming a driver. My favorite person was the Samoan chick that would smoke a blunt as she drive out of the parking lot every morning, not a care in the world who saw her.

A significant raise will bring in significantly better humans through the door, which means better loads and less dicks drawn on the walls of the bathroom.

I think it really is a worthy fight, my own outside 2 cents

Yup. Starting wage in 1980 was $8.50, which is $33 today after inflation. That wage didn’t raise a single cent for over 30 years. In 2010 that $8.50 was worth $11

 

[PT 4 Life]

Yup. Starting wage in 1980 was $8.50, which is $33 today after inflation. That wage didn’t raise a single cent for over 30 years. In 2010 that $8.50 was worth $11

Have you considered driving?

 

[Trucker Clock]

And I'll be suuuuuuuper pissed if we burn this bitch to the ground just trying to impress Amazon.

That’s what it’s all about. You think SOB cares about the part timer?

They pay half the dues and don’t vote. It’s about Amazon and FedEz.

 

[Over70irregs]

I heard we are stuck on 9.5 language.

 

[PT 4 Life]

That’s what it’s all about. You think SOB cares about the part timer?

They pay half the dues and don’t vote. It’s about Amazon and FedEz.

They don’t give a about part timers man lol. I didn’t want to be a negative Nancy but that was the vibe i got the whole time. It was a way to get Amazon attention.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

That’s what it’s all about. You think SOB cares about the part timer?

They pay half the dues and don’t vote. It’s about Amazon and FedEz.

Amazon really, FedEx is a pipe dream. The contractor model s us for ground, and they'll just burn express down if they manage to lose RLA protection and organize. The new "integration" would just happen to prove soooo successful that they would change their whole model to that just to make it impossible.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I heard we are stuck on 9.5 language.

How so? They already had a TA on it announced weeks ago.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Guess who was in charge "before"...!

It didn’t matter. Hoffa did not pursue Wmazon or FedEx. SOB only cares about the part timer is because he wants to pursue Amazon and FedEx.

He even said it himself. He said this is not only about UPS, it is about all labor.

We are the pawns in his grande scheme. And we will pay the price.

 

[HarryWarden]

We are the pawns in his grande scheme. And we will pay the price.

Or we will reap the rewards

I don’t think unionizing other massive physical labor blue collar work is a bad thing, and will only help us

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

It didn’t matter. Hoffa did not pursue Wmazon or FedEx. SOB only cares about the part timer is because he wants to pursue Amazon and FedEx.

He even said it himself. He said this is not only about UPS, it is about all labor.

We are the pawns in his grande scheme. And we will pay the price.

What's crazy is that he's promised the "best contract ever." If he got FT raises in line with other recent contracts, and he gets the PT starting wage up close to $20/hr he's done that. With all of the other language and eliminating 22.4s, get even a small increase in the UPS pesion plan and he's done what he promised.

Hell, for all we know he's happy with the PT wage and he's posturing for any little bit more he can get. He'll give us the LBFO with probably the same terms as on July 5 and we'll probably be happy with it.

 

[HarryWarden]

What's crazy is that he's promised the "best contract ever." If he got FT raises in line with other recent contracts, and he gets the PT starting wage up close to $20/hr he's done that. With all of the other language and eliminating 22.4s, get even a small increase in the UPS pesion plan and he's done what he promised.

Hell, for all we know he's happy with the PT wage and he's posturing for any little bit more he can get. He'll give us the LBFO with probably the same terms as on July 5 and we'll probably be happy with it.

The last he said about the contract is that ups and the union have a difference in pay of $6-7

 

[PT 4 Life]

I don’t think ups even wants to give us 20 lol. They have to be offering at 18

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

We are the pawns in his grande scheme. And we will pay the price.

I think you are going to pay the price one way, or another. At least put up a fight. There's a reason there are strikes everywhere right now.

If the part timers lose out, you will be next.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

The last he said about the contract is that ups and the union have a difference in pay of $6-7

And that was only quoted in one interview that ive seen, so I'm not sure that was actually ever said. Not saying it wasn't, but I've only seen it quoted in one interview from a pretty obscure source.

 

[Trucker Clock]

What's crazy is that he's promised the "best contract ever." If he got FT raises in line with other recent contracts, and he gets the PT starting wage up close to $20/hr he's done that. With all of the other language and eliminating 22.4s, get even a small increase in the UPS pesion plan and he's done what he promised.

Exactly. Shake hands and let’s vote.

 

[Trucker Clock]

If the part timers lose out, you will be next.

Nope. They know we vote. The part timers don’t

 

[HarryWarden]

And that was only quoted in one interview that ive seen, so I'm not sure that was actually ever said. Not saying it wasn't, but I've only seen it quoted in one interview from a pretty obscure source.

Sounds like it was a direct quote from his interview with these guys

UPS-Teamsters negotiations held up by part-time wages, union leader says

The two sides are far apart in terms of their hourly pay rate proposals, General President Sean O'Brien told Supply Chain Dive.

www.supplychaindive.com

 

[Trucker Clock]

At least put up a fight.

Put a a fight?

We did. Sounds like us full timers did pretty good.

Oh, did you mean you wanted us full timers to fight for the part timers because they won’t right for themselves?

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Sounds like it was a direct quote from his interview with these guys

UPS-Teamsters negotiations held up by part-time wages, union leader says

The two sides are far apart in terms of their hourly pay rate proposals, General President Sean O'Brien told Supply Chain Dive.

www.supplychaindive.com

That's exactly what I was referring to. I've looked and can only find it there, in an interview with a relatively obscure outlet.

Edit - for clarity, I looked when it came out and that was the only place I could find anything like it. Haven't bothered since.