What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[PT 4 Life]

Just from these responses it’s going to be a big divide between the part timers and full timers.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Just from these responses it’s going to be a big divide between the part timers and full timers.

It has always been. Part timers have been left behind because they never fought for themselves, for one reason or another. And the full timers never fought for those that never fought for themselves. Now, they, or SOB, wants the full timers to fight for them when they won't fight for themselves.

 

[PT 4 Life]

It has always been. Part timers have been left behind because they never fought for themselves, for one reason or another. And the full timers never fought for those that never fought for themselves. Now, they, or SOB, wants the full timers to fight for them when they won't fight for themselves.

I can’t front. There a lot of part timers here that are just completely clueless on any union stuff. It’s hard to rally them because most of them don’t give a . Again I’d rather they bumped part time to 20 and create more inside jobs.

 

[9.5mania]

Just from these responses it’s going to be a big divide between the part timers and full timers.

Just wait till UPS releases what they offered to the Teamsters which was rejected. They would love for FT to cross because they dislike the PT employees. We got to hold the line and not let them divide us.

 

[Brown Down]

I'm still wondering when we ask for the last best and final offer. At this point we should be putting whatever they offer to a vote.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Just wait till UPS releases what they offered to the Teamsters which was rejected. They would love for FT to cross because they dislike the PT employees. We got to hold the line and not let them divide us.

I'm actually surprised they haven't found a way to "leak" the figures, especially since it sounds like they gave a number SOB was comfortable with for FT. If he liked it, we probably would too. Instant divide at that point.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I'm still wondering when we ask for the last best and final offer. At this point we should be putting whatever they offer to a vote.

We asked for it, UPS refused to give one.

 

[baklava]

I worked at UPS for over 20 years and one of the main changes I saw during that time was the quality of human beings that were new hires.

In the last few years it seemed only the dregs of society started coming through the door, people that were barely capable of having a drivers license let alone becoming a driver. My favorite person was the Samoan chick that would smoke a blunt as she drive out of the parking lot every morning, not a care in the world who saw her.

A significant raise will bring in significantly better humans through the door, which means better loads and less dicks drawn on the walls of the bathroom.

I think it really is a worthy fight, my own outside 2 cents

 

[PT 4 Life]

I worked at UPS for over 20 years and one of the main changes I saw during that time was the quality of human beings that were new hires.

In the last few years it seemed only the dregs of society started coming through the door, people that were barely capable of having a drivers license let alone becoming a driver. My favorite person was the Samoan chick that would smoke a blunt as she drive out of the parking lot every morning, not a care in the world who saw her.

A significant raise will bring in significantly better humans through the door, which means better loads and less dicks drawn on the walls of the bathroom.

I think it really is a worthy fight, my own outside 2 cents

This absolutely true for inside lol. The bar is low here. Even for management side as well. More of a reflection on society though. Lack of care and incentive.

 

[burrheadd]

I have a hard time fighting for people who refuse to fight for themselves. I won't cross either, but getting a $10 raise for a guy who won't be here by Christmas isn't my hill.

I’d give the part timers a little bump but leave the real raises until you’ve been here for awhile

 

[burrheadd]

Just from these responses it’s going to be a big divide between the part timers and full timers.

Always has been

 

[burrheadd]

I worked at UPS for over 20 years and one of the main changes I saw during that time was the quality of human beings that were new hires.

In the last few years it seemed only the dregs of society started coming through the door, people that were barely capable of having a drivers license let alone becoming a driver. My favorite person was the Samoan chick that would smoke a blunt as she drive out of the parking lot every morning, not a care in the world who saw her.

A significant raise will bring in significantly better humans through the door, which means better loads and less dicks drawn on the walls of the bathroom.

I think it really is a worthy fight, my own outside 2 cents

I don’t care about any of that
All I want is a truck that doesent look like it was loaded with a shovel and no misloads
Pay whatever you gotta pay to get that

 

[Trucker Clock]

I can’t front. There a lot of part timers here that are just completely clueless on any union stuff. It’s hard to rally them because most of them don’t give a . Again I’d rather they bumped part time to 20 and create more inside jobs.

And the only reason the Union cares about the part timers now it to try and show the part timers at Amazon and FedEx what a Union can do for them.

The Union never cared about the part timers before.

 

[Brown Down]

We asked for it, UPS refused to give one.

Yes but they negotiated more so the offer did change so we really should demand it again. That way if the company refuses it will 100% be on them if we strike. If we get an offer we don't like we can easily point out why it got rejected. At this point no one really knows what the numbers are/were to get everyone away from the table.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Yes but they negotiated more so the offer did change so we really should demand it again. That way if the company refuses it will 100% be on them if we strike. If we get an offer we don't like we can easily point out why it got rejected. At this point no one really knows what the numbers are/were to get everyone away from the table.

He asked for it again after they returned to the table, and again they refused. It's in the July 5 update in the app. He can't just hand us any random offer sheet, an LBFO is very specific and only that can be presented to us. Everything up to that point is an unofficial offer and protected by NDA.

 

[Brown Down]

He asked for it again after they returned to the table, and again they refused. It's in the July 5 update in the app. He can't just hand us any random offer sheet, an LBFO is very specific and only that can be presented to us. Everything up to that point is an unofficial offer and protected by NDA.

Ah I must have missed the second refusal. Never mind. Everyone carry on.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Ah I must have missed the second refusal. Never mind. Everyone carry on.

A lot of info flying around, pieces can be easily missed.

 

[DELACROIX]

And the only reason the Union cares about the part timers now it to try and show the part timers at Amazon and FedEx what a Union can do for them.

The Union never cared about the part timers before.

Guess who was in charge "before"...!

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

And the only reason the Union cares about the part timers now it to try and show the part timers at Amazon and FedEx what a Union can do for them.

The Union never cared about the part timers before.

And I'll be suuuuuuuper pissed if we burn this bitch to the ground just trying to impress Amazon.

 

[Redtag]

I worked at UPS for over 20 years and one of the main changes I saw during that time was the quality of human beings that were new hires.

In the last few years it seemed only the dregs of society started coming through the door, people that were barely capable of having a drivers license let alone becoming a driver. My favorite person was the Samoan chick that would smoke a blunt as she drive out of the parking lot every morning, not a care in the world who saw her.

A significant raise will bring in significantly better humans through the door, which means better loads and less dicks drawn on the walls of the bathroom.

I think it really is a worthy fight, my own outside 2 cents

Yup...

I have noticed the same thing in automotive, we used to attract some really good diesel techs from some of the local truck dealers... now we can't even get guys that do oil changes to work here.. Absolutely nobody is interested in working in automotive or PE.. they even bumped the starting pay to 35 an hour or so but we have had a PE opening for years now, once in awhile someone decent applies and then tells them to Eff off when he finds out its a 7pm start.

I don't even want to talk about the PT new hires for the hub... that's been bad since before I was working here