When does 243 meet to negotiate

[BigUnionGuy]

On a Saturday with a mandatory meeting before hand.

Why would any member be afraid.... to voice their opinion ?

And, not show up to vote ?

 

[yadadamean116]

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Plenty of good info on this site. Just lots of the same dumb question asked over and over.

Kind of hard when you look up a question and you have to sift through 99% bs that the normal posters post. 40-60 year olds acting like teenagers

 

[CoffeeStainedUniform]

...40-60 year olds acting like teenagers

Some of us are 34 year old children

 

[Brownslave688]

Why would any member be afraid.... to voice their opinion ?

And, not show up to vote ?

Where did I say that?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Where did I say that?

You seem to insinuate....

There is some sort of nefarious reason, to dissuade members from voting ?


Help me out.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

You seem to insinuate....

There is some sort of nefarious reason, to dissuade members from voting ?


Help me out.

I'll help you out.

Our delegate nominations are on a sat morning at the monthly meeting. The delegate election is by mail in ballot.
But...

the election of officers nominations is on a Tues morning at 7 AM and the actual election held is by two avenues.

First, you can force the members to go to the union hall and vote in person all the while knowing that many of the members drive over the road, work Saturday routes, and as was the case in the last election those in a large work place that wanted to vote in person were FORCED at the last minute to work double shifts on that weekend.

Or secondly, you could mail in an application to apply to get an application so that you could get an absentee ballot. A 3+ week process.

Dozens of members from work sites that wanted new leadership never got an absentee ballot and those that got them late were effectively omitted from voting.

Then the attorney from Joint Council used to "conduct" the election was caught falsifying voting eligibility to exempt certain ballots from being counted. The ballots were from members that worked in the same facility that was mandated to work double shifts on that saturday and they wanted leadership change.

The company (who just happens to have the largest amount of local members) didnt want the union leadership to change. Hmmm, wonder why?

Do you see a pattern? Do you blame members for giving up? Will you blame honest bargaining unit workers for losing faith?

Corruption abounds and in time that may slowly take over the minds of the next generation toward unionization.

Let's call a spade a spade.
The only thing that makes this union viable any more is corporate greed.

The games played are sickening.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Then the attorney from Joint Council used to "conduct" the election was caught falsifying voting eligibility to exempt certain ballots from being counted.

Who was that ?

 

[Observer]

The Lone Ranger spreading good information for all of us. Thanks for an informative post.

 

[davidix]

It’s pitiful. The same 10 loosers up every thread. When somebody calls them out their excuse is “the question has already been answered”

Well how are we supposed to know when we have to dig through so much trash to even find an answer. These posting clowns need to get their own telegram chat something.

Exactly. Its probably a big reason why new people dont post more often. Can you imagine talking to people like that in person? Internet bad asses.

 

[542thruNthru]

No kidding. You swing by to see what's going on with browncafe and it's just a huge waste of time. I see the same people never helping or answering questions. Every thread created is washed down the drain with trash comments, insults, little gifs or pictures.

It’s pitiful. The same 10 loosers up every thread. When somebody calls them out their excuse is “the question has already been answered”

Well how are we supposed to know when we have to dig through so much trash to even find an answer. These posting clowns need to get their own telegram chat something.

Exactly. Its probably a big reason why new people dont post more often. Can you imagine talking to people like that in person? Internet bad asses.

Don't know if you two kids realize this but the question was answered by the 6th post. If someone can't read that far down then that's their problem.

I'm guessing you want a thread to be no more then 3 or 4 posts. Sorry that's not going to happen. People come here for 3 things. Information, complaining and unwinding. If you can't handle that then that's your problem. Plenty of new people come on here and stay.

This site isn't Wikipedia if you want that then start your own site.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Exactly. Its probably a big reason why new people dont post more often. Can you imagine talking to people like that in person? Internet bad asses.

 

[browned out]

The IBT and UPS had no belief or expectation that the National Master would reach a 50% participation rate. None. It was not going to happen. The UPS Teamsters have never reached the 50% voter participation rate in any Master Contract.

Most Teamsters do not have a copy of theIBT constitution. Here, in 243, an IBT constitution is not issued to every member. The Local does not even let the members know it exists. The vast majority of members believed a simple majority would suffice to vote it down. Heck; even the UPS Corporate Brass thought it was actually voted down.

The IBT mailings used scare tactics. "You risk a work stoppage" No . That is why we had a strike vote. Tell the members something they did not know. 50% must vote or a 2/3 No must be attained.

Ignore an overwhelming strike vote but force a voted down contract thru. Idiots. A Company Controlled Union no doubt. One needs to look no further than the B Rose Fisher treason and the lack of any response from the IBT.

But; for some reason; no IBT mailing, UPSrising App. notification, and nothing on the UPSrising website about the 50% voter participation threshold. It is very important that you vote....but nothing about your vote not mattering unless an unprecedented event occurred. The IBT postcards may as well have been UPS postcards. friend N Company Controlled Union.

If I had to guess; somewhere between 30% and 40% of the eligible voters in 243 will cast a vote.

The effort by the rank and file to promote voting on the 243 Rider is admirable. We are doing all we can. The reality is that a transient part time workforce (for the most part) votes in a much lower percentage than Full Time career UPSer.

Will the Master Vote count broken down into Full Time votes and Part Time votes be disclosed?

A simple majority vote will fix this broken system.

Hard working UPSers who care enough to vote should have a Union Leadership that cares enough to make sure those UPSers votes mean something.

The Hoffa/Hall/Taylor team is reprehensible. If they were actually representing the members; the IBT would have changed the constitution. The IBT knew this contract would be voted down. Garbage. We will keep voting these POS out.

 

[Brown Biscuit]

My steward said that you guys are recommended a yes vote?

We will keep voting these POS out.

Our steward said your local is recommending a yes vote this time? Are they just blowing smoke to everyone or what.

 

[Brown Biscuit]

Or did you mean the representation

 

[BiggieBrown]

It's funny to see you guys whining about how the Teamsters are corrupt or whatever.
It's like, uh, yeah, it's a labor union, what did you expect?

 

[542thruNthru]

It's funny to see you guys whining about how the Teamsters are corrupt or whatever.
It's like, uh, yeah, it's a labor union, what did you expect?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

It's funny to see you guys whining about how the Teamsters are corrupt or whatever.
It's like, uh, yeah, it's a labor union, what did you expect?

Honest representation.
I pay for that.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Most Teamsters do not have a copy of theIBT constitution.

It's available online.


https://teamster.filecamp.com/0/teamster/binary/25np-re7bjk5k.pdf

Here, in 243, an IBT constitution is not issued to every member. The Local does not even let the members know it exists. The vast majority of members believed a simple majority would suffice to vote it down.

Your members would be better informed, if they bothered to participate.

Ignore an overwhelming strike vote but force a voted down contract thru.

22% of the members voting in the strike authorization.... could hardly be

construed as "overwhelming".

One needs to look no further than the B Rose Fisher treason and the lack of any response from the IBT.

What would the IBT be responding to ?

Not even Rob A thought that, or he would have filed charges.

In fact.... he stated to the panel that upheld his discharge, that he was properly

represented by her and his Local Union.

If I had to guess; somewhere between 30% and 40% of the eligible voters in 243 will cast a vote.

That doesn't sound like the IBT or Local 243 is the problem....

The Hoffa/Hall/Taylor team is reprehensible. If they were actually representing the members; the IBT would have changed the constitution.

You don't even understand how changes to the IBT constitution are made ?

Wow....



-Bug-

 

[Frankie's Friend]

It's available online.


https://teamster.filecamp.com/0/teamster/binary/25np-re7bjk5k.pdf





Your members would be better informed, if they bothered to participate.





22% of the members voting in the strike authorization.... could hardly be

construed as "overwhelming".





What would the IBT be responding to ?

Not even Rob A thought that, or he would have filed charges.

In fact.... he stated to the panel that upheld his discharge, that he was properly

represented by her and his Local Union.





That doesn't sound like the IBT or Local 243 is the problem....





You don't even understand how changes to the IBT constitution are made ?

Wow....



-Bug-

Did the emails between her and upper management get exposed by the local (lol)

...sorry...seemed fitting,




or...

by the NLRB when they took on the case?

And if this was the sequence of events how was he supposed to know about getting shafted prior to it being exposed?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Did the emails between her and upper management get exposed by the local (lol) or...

by the NLRB when they took on the case?

And if this was the sequence of events how was he supposed to know about getting shafted prior to it being exposed?

Boring.... 4 year old case.