542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
What will happen is you will go up to the same pay as a new hire. You won't be paid less then them.
When does the negotiations get to the economics/pay?
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What will happen is you will go up to the same pay as a new hire. You won't be paid less then them.
Moneythehardway
Well-Known Member
That will suck for those of us who've been here 8 to 10 years who are just getting over the $15 hour and a bunch of newbies come in from day 1 making the same thing. Give us part timers with time in some kind of boost.
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MenInBrown
Guest
That does suck, but remember this, we are all in this together. Think about what you are doing for future employees that will help pay your pension. The guys that worked here 30 years ago made progress for us today and we must do the same.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
We are all in this together?
Do you pay my bills?
I am in this for me. Period.
Do you pay my bills?
I am in this for me. Period.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Take a midol Dan.
govols019
You smell that?
Man, I bet you'll be a hoot at the old folks home your kids throw you in.
1989
Well-Known Member
Please elaborate on what progress was made over those 30 years. And then please describe what losses can occur because of a strike. And who will incur those losses.
Blackstream
Well-Known Member
The last contract boosted my pay up to the minimum for my seniority too, and it's looking like this contract is gonna boost everyone up to about my level again. It's kind of a sad contract if our raises are so bad, they can't even outpace the starting wage hikes.
PT Car Washer
Banned
One of the benefits for working at a Union job (and paying monthly dues) was the superior wages and benefits. Not so anymore.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
I would agree with that to a certain extent. Now, you have to be more deliberate
about understanding the principal of delayed gratification. The opportunity is there
for those that are willing to wait and pay their dues. (so to speak)
Part-time wages need to be addressed, no doubt. Waiting a year for insurance
is a tough one. How many people under 25 would even use it ? With such a high
turnover rate, it's not because of wage and benefits only that causes people
to give up. For those that have never done physical work before....
UPS is overwhelming.
Next time you see them bring in a tour group of people looking for a job,
notice the applicants. The skinny kid wearing a shirt and tie.. the fat kid
who is 5'7'' and 280 lbs.. the more mature person.. who has had a job before.
One is going to be a supe, one will be a Union Member, the rest will
fall by the wayside..... rather quick. I know who I'm betting on.
-Bug-
1989
Well-Known Member
Throughout the 90’s, it was 1 out of six will stay.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
In my area, the turnover rate has hovered at 85% for 15 years.
Smaller outlying centers, are a different dynamic.
I constantly get asked if I can get someones kid on at UPS.
Politely, I tell them they must go though the same process as everyone else.
Did it once.... and never again.
1989
Well-Known Member
Didn’t know you worked in H R.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Surprise Surprise Surprise
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
Out here outside of the Brown bubble the benefits most places are still inferior to what we get. How about $3000 deductibles and $25.copays ? I just came from an insurance meeting at my FT job. My $64.00 dues per month look pretty good.
PT Car Washer
Banned
Guess I grew up in a different time. When I started you made top rate after 90 days and had full benefits both PT and FT. When did this "delayed gratification" crock start?
There are ways to help the yourself AND your co-workers at the same time.
35years
Gravy route
Since only 15% will stay more than a year, why is the national negotiating committee focusing on better starting wages and benefits?
These are people who will not be long term UPS employees, nor long term Teamsters.
Yet I am repeatedly told they will be the main focus for monetary issues this contract.
Yes shorten progression, yes increase pt wages, but focus on long term employees, not short term kids who will quit after 3 months anyway, at the expense of making the pensions secure and cutting forced OT.
I think the Union leadership did not listen at all to our priorities, but instead sees that UPS had to sweeten the pot to attract new employees anyways, so it will be an easy "victory" to claim in this new contract.
Meanwhile our pensions sink, and we work 70 hour weeks Nov. and Dec.
Rick Ross
I'm into distribution!!
I think maybe the thought is that they will stick around if wages improved. I'm sure many of the old-timers would have gone somewhere else if wages were substandard whne they started.
My starting OT wage was $.50 higher than another sorter who had started 8 years before me. That's why the quality of the part-time employees has dropped considerably.
