Who else has no problem with a strike?

[Just A UPS Guy]

Why would they? It's going to be full time driving at a lower rate than regulars.

Short-sightedness, that's why. It helps them now so they don't think about 2, 3, 5 years or more down the road.

Similar to why you think it would be ok for you to deliver ground at your rate to deliver on weekends. It works for you, so it's fine. Well, it's not fine, it's a full day of ground work, it deserves ground pay.

 

[cachmeifucan]

I heard votes are coming in a the no vote is winning

 

[llamainmypocket]

Short-sightedness, that's why. It helps them now so they don't think about 2, 3, 5 years or more down the road.

Similar to why you think it would be ok for you to deliver ground at your rate to deliver on weekends. It works for you, so it's fine. Well, it's not fine, it's a full day of ground work, it deserves ground pay.

I'm not sure the profit margins are there on Saturday to facilitate the work without operating at a loss, if at full ground rate. No businesses and residentials are more spread out. I would like to see ups have a weekend presence.

From a technical standpoint my argument isnt strong but do you think I'm incorrect?

 

[siouxman]

I will take years

I was referring to getting the system up and running. Your right long term we will be hurting

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I'm not sure the profit margins are there on Saturday to facilitate the work without operating at a loss, if at full ground rate. No businesses and residentials are more spread out. I would like to see ups have a weekend presence.

From a technical standpoint my argument isnt strong but do you think I'm incorrect?

I'm not sure how much room there is in the margin, but you can bet that the company will correct any deficit. I'm not saying you're wrong, not telling you how you should feel, just pointing out that either you or 22.4 delivering ground isn't appropriate and is an awful precedent to set in a contract.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I'm not sure the profit margins are there on Saturday to facilitate the work without operating at a loss, if at full ground rate. No businesses and residentials are more spread out. I would like to see ups have a weekend presence.

From a technical standpoint my argument isnt strong but do you think I'm incorrect?

I suggested that if it is a legitimate need to have a lower cost work force to get weekend volume jumpstarted, they could make 22.4 expire at the end of the contract. At that point all 22.4 drivers would automatically become full ground drivers, as the weekend delivery operations should made profitable by then. Not a perfect solution, but better than 22.4 forever.

 

[Big Package]

I got tired of getting paid dick by UPS, not getting hired by people despite 2 trades and 2 degrees with no drugs or criminal history. I started my own business. I worked very hard in the beginning and started with nothing so I wouldn't owe anybody anything. It has not been easy.

However, it has made work at UPS easier, knowing I'm there for spending money and health insurance. A sale or two is a months pay. I've got a regular who has spent over my yearly wage in my business.

I'm all for a strike. I got to do.

 

[1989]

I know or 22 drivers that work the preload starting at 5:00 or 6:00. That would probably be all the 22.4 s working 5 hours in the preload. Doesn’t leave much time on road.

 

[siouxman]

A strike is not going to happen.
They would simply renegotiate.

I swear, I don't know what you guys are drinking but you need a tall glass of reality.

It's out of our hands after the vote is done.The union can call a strike at any time.It may be remote it happens but I never thought trump would get elected either

 

[1989]

It's out of our hands after the vote is done.The union can call a strike at any time.It may be remote it happens but I never thought trump would get elected either

NOBODY THOUGHT TUMP WOULD GET ELECTED.

 

[siouxman]

strike or not, there is no way the rest of the shipping industry can quickly handle all our volume. small package shipping would grind to a halt the first day we walk and there's no more pickups. every company in America is on the phone to fedex or usps to schedule a pickup up at the same time or within a week or so if they get notice. lol no way is that gonna work. we would kill small internet sales companies and do considerable damage to the larger ones. we talk of how much money ups would lose but think of the collateral damage the ripple effect would cause as well.

another point about scabbing. same principle holds here. the day we walk the pickups stop. the deliveries will continue by sups and whoever might not walk (god help them) for a short while until the system is cleared out and then that's it. doors are locked. after a week or so you wanna cross and go back to work? to do what? we go back to work the day after the strike ends to empty buildings and empty trucks and start doing pickups. the amount of time it would take to get the operation back to the point where there is enough work for everybody is anybody's guess.

I think they continued to run the air during 97 but I may be wrong.The problem is after the strike.The customers don't forget and the ones we hurt will jump ship.that means less jobs loss of revenue, you get the picture.I don't think a lot of drivers know their customers as intimate as we did back in 97.I sure some do but the connection with the driver has diminished thus the support.i had signs hanging in businesses supporting drivers.will we see that this time.i do believe a strike is remote but it can happen

 

[siouxman]

A strike is not going to happen.
They would simply renegotiate.

I swear, I don't know what you guys are drinking but you need a tall glass of reality.

No offense but ups is capabale of doing anything.If it fails they may tweak a few things but the same basic contract will be back

 

[RetiredIE]

A strike would be DEVASTATING for both the union and the company, but my concern is that the 22.4 workforce will be like crack cocaine for UPS, at the expense of normal full time drivers.

 

[1989]

Short-sightedness, that's why. It helps them now so they don't think about 2, 3, 5 years or more down the road.

Similar to why you think it would be ok for you to deliver ground at your rate to deliver on weekends. It works for you, so it's fine. Well, it's not fine, it's a full day of ground work, it deserves ground pay.

5 years down the road they will have 5 years full time seniority, 5 years of working 1 job (probably for less hours a day) making a good living wage, plus will have accrued $1,416 a month in their pension. And will be on track to 8500 a month in 25 years later.

 

[babboo25]

A strike would be DEVASTATING for both the union and the company, but my concern is that the 22.4 workforce will be like crack cocaine for UPS, at the expense of normal full time drivers.

That’s why they’re only allowed 25%.

 

[siouxman]

A strike would be DEVASTATING for both the union and the company, but my concern is that the 22.4 workforce will be like crack cocaine for UPS, at the expense of normal full time drivers.[/QUOTEin my opion is what ups wants,a 22 4 option to reduce their labor expense and be more competive with the competion and regional carriers who also are strong competitors.we can disagree or agree on if it's a good thing but some sort of driver being paid less with a chance to move up is going to be a reality.

 

[babboo25]

5 years down the road they will have 5 years full time seniority, 5 years of working 1 job (probably for less hours a day) making a good living wage, plus will have accrued $1,416 a month in their pension. And will be on track to 8500 a month in 25 years later.

UPS abused many of us inside hires, I personally drove cover, comp, vacation coverage for over 4 years, no credit towards FT pension. Wish 22.4 was around then.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

5 years down the road they will have 5 years full time seniority, 5 years of working 1 job (probably for less hours a day) making a good living wage

They can do that as a regular package car driver then. We're giving the company a huge cut to their payroll expenses and getting practically nothing in return.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

They can do that as a regular package car driver then. We're giving the company a huge cut to their payroll expenses and getting practically nothing in return.

Or they could fix the pension t see how many full time regular package car driver spots open.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

No offense but ups is capabale of doing anything.If it fails they may tweak a few things but the same basic contract will be back

Tweaks is all it needs.