Working over 70 hours as Driver Helpers

[Pickles]

Some feeder drivers were forced to come in Saturday and go over their 60 hours here. It was all on property. I asked if they would be getting double time after 60 and management said no that it was only package or 22.4. In my mind any employee should be getting double time over 60.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Some feeder drivers were forced to come in Saturday and go over their 60 hours here. It was all on property. I asked if they would be getting double time after 60 and management said no that it was only package or 22.4. In my mind any employee should be getting double time over 60.

Your opinion is spot on----what's good for one classification is good for all of them. They need to file grievances.

 

[clipperman]

Here, the Company did not let anybody drive past their 60th hour, but had many drivers work past 60 hours as jumpers/helpers on Saturday.

Ask yourself why they would do that, for double time, instead of having them actually drive?
$56.61 an hour is bad enough for a helper, but $75.48 an hour?....I can't see it.

I think the "intent" of that Article 26 language is to motivate the Company to avoid implementing the "70 Hour Rule", a driving rule, in the package car classification.

“Pursuant to this paragraph” is the wording I think they’re using to avoid paying double time unless they 70 hour rule is implemented,even though I think I remember on more than one of those calls we were told ALL hours 60 were to be paid at double time,slight of hand

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

“Pursuant to this paragraph” is the wording I think they’re using to avoid paying double time unless they 70 hour rule is implemented,even though I think I remember on more than one of those calls we were told ALL hours 60 were to be paid at double time,slight of hand

That's what Dennis said in the conference call. Over 60 hours is double time no matter if you volunteer or are forced.

 

[Bubblehead]

Some feeder drivers were forced to come in Saturday and go over their 60 hours here. It was all on property. I asked if they would be getting double time after 60 and management said no that it was only package or 22.4. In my mind any employee should be getting double time over 60.

Your opinion is spot on----what's good for one classification is good for all of them. They need to file grievances.

Unfortunately semantics (opinions) don't win grievances, contractual language does.

....and the Article 26 language in play here doesn't support your assertions, in my opinion.

 

[Bubblehead]

“Pursuant to this paragraph” is the wording I think they’re using to avoid paying double time unless they 70 hour rule is implemented,even though I think I remember on more than one of those calls we were told ALL hours 60 were to be paid at double time,slight of hand

Yes!!!

"Pursuant to this paragraph", a paragraph about nothing more than what is to happen when package car drivers (not any other classification) are moved from the 60 hour rule to the 70 hour rule.

As far as "the call", I don't remember exactly, but it wouldn't be hard to slip that caveat past the masses while selling a big win in this new language?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Your opinion is spot on----what's good for one classification is good for all of them. They need to file grievances.

Uh.... no.


Article 26 Section 5 is specifically for pkg drivers.


"The Company shall not change the DOT sixty (60) hours in seven (7) days to the seventy (70) hours in eight (8) days rule for package drivers except at Peak."

https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/ups18nationalmaster.pdf


Read the whole section.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This needs to be addressed in 2023.

 

[Bubblehead]

This needs to be addressed in 2023.

That's really none of your business.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Uh.... no.


Article 26 Section 5 is specifically for pkg drivers.


"The Company shall not change the DOT sixty (60) hours in seven (7) days to the seventy (70) hours in eight (8) days rule for package drivers except at Peak."

https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/ups18nationalmaster.pdf


Read the whole section.

It should have included Feeder Drivers. And yes- I already know what your response will be.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

It should have included Feeder Drivers.

Why ?

And yes- I already know what your response will be.

I'll take "the members should have voted.... for $100.... Alex." ??

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Why ?





I'll take "the members should have voted.... for $100.... Alex." ??

Why? I think it is obvious. As far as members not voting- they've given up considering the slobs that run this union look out for themselves.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Why? I think it is obvious.

70 hours in pkg.... is no way comparable to 70 hrs in feeders.

As far as members not voting- they've given up

They were never in the game to begin with.

This isn't the 50's, 60's, and 70's....

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

70 hours in pkg.... is no way comparable to 70 hrs in feeders.





They were never in the game to begin with.

This isn't the 50's, 60's, and 70's....

So you have worked 70 in both classifications? Recently I assume...

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

70 hours in pkg.... is no way comparable to 70 hrs in feeders.





They were never in the game to begin with.

This isn't the 50's, 60's, and 70's....

They aren't in the game because the union WANTS it that way. Don't pretend differently.

 

[DRporch]

My center has drivers going over 60 and are being paid double time according to time card manager

 

[DRporch]

So you have worked 70 in both classifications? Recently I assume...

I have and it’s not comparable at all. Feeders is a cakewalk there’s not a single hard thing about it. Now doing 500+ stops in a day is.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I have and it’s not comparable at all. Feeders is a cakewalk there’s not a single hard thing about it. Now doing 500+ stops in a day is.

Then perhaps feeder drivers should get straight time for ALL hours worked. Seems reasonable.

 

[Rick Ross]

Then perhaps feeder drivers should get straight time for ALL hours worked. Seems reasonable.

Unfortunately, that is legal.

I was talking to an Old Dominion driver Monday while waiting at a CPU. He said he made just under $30 an hour and didn't get overtime I believe until over 60 hours.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Those of us who are entitled often don't realize just how good they have it.