That's why I said pensions etc. If I remember correctly the company wanted a 7 year contract with raises every other year and profit sharing. Not sure exactly how the profit sharing was supposed to work but the idea was that the drivers would become invested in the business and this would make them more productive or something.
1997 Strike. Old heads only. On Topic.
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cachmeifucan
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It was definitely about control of pension. But we did get 22.3 jobs rest in peace Ron Carey.
if memory serves me there was also the company upped the ante by publicly posing increased pensions with years of service at any age including part-timers...figures of 3000 a month for 30 years including health benefits..different years of service varied the amounts.......the teamsters somewhat matched this and then went on strike on different issues........too bad the pensions aren't like the mechanics...they do a fine job with their pension and its done with nil for turnover.....
Hethatbeking
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Why wasn't there a vote on the proposal? Did the '97 strike occur before the reforms that gave the rank and file voting rights?
You can only vote on a proposal if it has been agreed upon by both the company and the union at which time the union presents it to the membership for a vote. In 1997 the company and the union couldn't reach an agreement, therefore there was nothing for the membership to vote on.
Been In Brown Too Long
Ex-Package Donkey
Because the Teamsters and UPS were so far apart. Carey wasn't even going to present a crappy deal to us, unlike the current leadership.
542thruNthru
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Because the union didn't want to take the chance we'd vote YES to let the company take over the pension.
728ups
All Trash No Trailer
Brother, The One Day Strike over the weight limit going to 150lbs was in February 1994. I dont remember the exact date but it was the first week. My local proudly walked. Our center manager came to the line and said anyone who didn't work was fired,and only a couple of scabs crossed.
IMO we should have had the sane one day strike this past December when UPS announced a 70 hour week
728ups
All Trash No Trailer
Our local told us from the start of 1997 to expect a strike and to save. At every monthly meeting this point was reinforced. We were told that the Company was wanting to seize control of our pension and we'd be left with an empty bag if that happened.
We were also told more full time jobs needed to be created for Part times ,and that was how the union sold the strike to the public
We were also told more full time jobs needed to be created for Part times ,and that was how the union sold the strike to the public
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Frankie's Friend
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It was performance bssed;
Running scratch...
No driver follow ups...
Good DRs upon auditing...
No accidents...
No 800 phone calls (cust concerns) on us...
This all governed by the management.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Yeah....
I corrected my mistake in post #15 of this thread.
@bowhnterdon are you happy now ?
I just don't remember it being February. Oh well.
There was a strike in 95 in freight. (?)
My Local was one of the few in the State that did walk. The following day, they had
someone in management ride with with every pkg car driver. The guy that was with me
was head of the Air dept. We got to a big bulk stop, and I was missing a NDA.
He started freaking out saying "this is a setup". I eventually found it, but it was funny.
This was back in the day, when you wrote your air stops and pieces on your blue card.
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Bubblehead
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BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
It always impressed me....
That the lead singer is the pilot their own jet (747-400)
and they sell out stadiums all over the word. Still.
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Frankie's Friend
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The company's offer was their last ditch effort to break the strike. The pension had already lost over 600 million dollars in the 1st 7 months of the year. The reason Ron matched the amount was because he figured the members would not have enough back bone to turn down the extra $1000. The company started this fight and blew a big hole into a ship that was just barely floating at $2000 a month.
Hopefully this contract wrestling does not precipitate the same greed that sunk the pensions in 97 because a rubber band only stretches so far.
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One day tho there will be a last, best, and final encore.
What'dyabringmetoday???
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Considering the condition of some of our pensions now, do you ever wonder if a "company" pension would have been a good idea?
keep the pensions away from ups and use their conditions as bargaining points.......remember that ups ceased defined pensions for newer management as of a certain date(?) and in 2023 (?) will stop putting money into those with existing defined pensions..no wonder the state of management is what it is.
Ask management....
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In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I still have a 1997 copy of the pension proposal from the company. They would pay 50 dollars per part time service years without the 6 percent deduction and 100 dollars a year full time for 35 years, capped at 35. They would of been able to offset those benefits from your vested time in the Central States from the time you retire instead of waiting till the retiree reaches age 65. Of course everything would be subject to change once the company got total control of your pension.
