2020 Presidential Updates

[Box Ox]

Of course anyone with the presidential voting record you have would think so.

 

[fishtm2001]

Nope, care to explain?

A state signing on to the compact agrees that it will pledge all its electors not to its state winner but to the victor in the national popular vote. It's already been enacted into law by 10 states.

 

[vantexan]

A state signing on to the compact agrees that it will pledge all its electors not to its state winner but to the victor in the national popular vote. It's already been enacted into law by 10 states.

You're behind the times, it's 16 states as of July. @It will be fine how do you feel about a state going against the will of it's voters?

 

[fishtm2001]

So I looked it up and realized I had heard about it awhile back. As of July it represents 16 states and 196 electoral votes. All the States involved would vote Democrat anyways. But to get rid of the electoral college you need a constitutional amendment.

Good, it's gaining traction. The info I had is from 2016.

 

[It will be fine]

You're behind the times, it's 16 states as of July. @It will be fine how do you feel about a state going against the will of it's voters?

States have laws on how their electors are chosen. Currently most states award them by the popular vote in the state. The states in the compact have decided to award them by national popular vote. If the voters in that state don’t like that they can vote for state representatives that would change the law. I have no problem with states following the laws they pass. This has nothing to do with what Trump is trying to do now, which is steal the election after he lost.

 

[vantexan]

States have laws on how their electors are chosen. Currently most states award them by the popular vote in the state. The states in the compact have decided to award them by national popular vote. If the voters in that state don’t like that they can vote for state representatives that would change the law. I have no problem with states following the laws they pass. This has nothing to do with what Trump is trying to do now, which is steal the election after he lost.

So if Trump presents irrefutable evidence in court of voter fraud he's still, in your estimation, trying to steal the election?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

So if Trump presents irrefutable evidence in court of voter fraud he's still, in your estimation, trying to steal the election?

The issue is that there is irrefutable proof of voter fraud, but they have to go through other channels to seek remedies, like recounts. The courts won't even touch it if there isn't enough to change the results, regardless of the fact that there is a criminal act having taken place.

Recounts won't do anything about fraudulent ballots, and you can't prove which ballots are fraudulent because they are anonymous. The mail-in ballots get separated from the signature on the envelope. The 120 year old guy that voted? Can't toss out his vote 'cause you don't know which one it was.

You can't eliminate anonymity of votes due to the issues of voter intimidation. How many people are calling for a list to be made of all Trump supporters? You want to talk about trying to destroy the republic because someone wants to challenge the results of an election? How about voter intimidation? That's straight up stasi-gestapo B.S. right there. That's what the left wants, and that's why they are the left.

 

[It will be fine]

So if Trump presents irrefutable evidence in court of voter fraud he's still, in your estimation, trying to steal the election?

There is no evidence. He’s not even arguing for it in court. He’s trying to convince state politicians to override the will of the voters and anoint him.

 

[vantexan]

There is no evidence. He’s not even arguing for it in court. He’s trying to convince state politicians to override the will of the voters and anoint him.

How do you know? MSNBC?

 

[vantexan]

The issue is that there is irrefutable proof of voter fraud, but they have to go through other channels to seek remedies, like recounts. The courts won't even touch it if there isn't enough to change the results, regardless of the fact that there is a criminal act having taken place.

Recounts won't do anything about fraudulent ballots, and you can't prove which ballots are fraudulent because they are anonymous. The mail-in ballots get separated from the signature on the envelope. The 120 year old guy that voted? Can't toss out his vote 'cause you don't know which one it was.

You can't eliminate anonymity of votes due to the issues of voter intimidation. How many people are calling for a list to be made of all Trump supporters? You want to talk about trying to destroy the republic because someone wants to challenge the results of an election? How about voter intimidation? That's straight up stasi-gestapo B.S. right there. That's what the left wants, and that's why they are the left.

Sure, if there is limited provable fraud that won't change the result. But if they can prove for example that voter machine software changed hundreds of thousands of votes across many states they'd have a case.

 

[It will be fine]

How do you know? MSNBC?

The court filings. I think his current count is 0-26 in court cases for the election. There is no evidence. This is a brazen attempt to steal an election and you cheer him on.

 

[newfie]

don the dumb has been bunkered down since his historic defeat. Joe ran a smart campaign, just sit back and let fat boy self destruct.

He's immersed in a massive election interference investigation case committed by an internal chinese agent

 

[newfie]

Your dream is to steal the election against the clear will of the voters. The worst part is republicans have no shame in their attempts to destroy democracy.

nope the plan is to protect the real election results that an agent of china is trying to steal from our great president and the people of our country that voted for him.

 

[newfie]

Wait till we dump the electoral college. Their collective heads will explode.

wait until we use your software against you to steal a future election and outlaw the DNC as a terrorist organization.

 

[newfie]

Ever hear of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact?

sounds chinese to me which i guess will now be the new national language

 

[Jones]

Watch: Rudy Giuliani quotes ‘My Cousin Vinny’ as hair dye runs down his face during bizarre press conference

President Trump’s personal attorney tried using the 1992 Joe Pesci comedy to attack the integrity of the election.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Sure, if there is limited provable fraud that won't change the result. But if they can prove for example that voter machine software changed hundreds of thousands of votes across many states they'd have a case.

I'm still waiting on that smoking gun, but I'm pointing out that fraud has been proven, the courts are dismissing the cases because remedies exist outside the courts, not due to lack of evidence.

 

[vantexan]

The court filings. I think his current count is 0-26 in court cases for the election. There is no evidence. This is a brazen attempt to steal an election and you cheer him on.

If there's no evidence why are you so upset?

 

[vantexan]

I'm still waiting on that smoking gun, but I'm pointing out that fraud has been proven, the courts are dismissing the cases because remedies exist outside the courts, not due to lack of evidence.

Then it'll all get dismissed and Biden will be inaugurated.

 

[Box Ox]

If there's no evidence why are you so upset?

Because Trump and his peoples' shrieking that there is evidence day after day outside of the courts still sows doubt in the legitimacy of US democracy for a large chunk of the population?