2023 contract

[PT Car Washer]

It's unfortunate you don't get a full-time pension for working your full timer hours

No argument there. Or if they would pay me a pension for all years worked instead of stopping at 35. Maybe next contract. I'm dreaming.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

At $20/hr and no OT protection hiring more delivery drivers would be a bargain.

But you're forgetting the cost of the benefit package, it's a lot more than $20 an hour

 

[PT Car Washer]

But you're forgetting the cost of the benefit package, it's a lot more than $20 an hour

I guess delivery drivers should be happy making $20/hr with no OT protection. Next years contract proposal? I'll keep my $40/hr PT job.

 

[FromOffTheStreets]

$40 an hour for inside workers would be a minimum of $80,000 a year

$40 x 4 hrs x 5 days x 52 weeks = $41,600

If it was $80k inside there would literally be noone driving.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Nice deflection on why the company is increasing minimum wage PT jobs instead of creating more FT Union jobs. Except for two tier delivery driver jobs.

Because they’re not contractually obligated too?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

$40 x 4 hrs x 5 days x 52 weeks = $41,600

If it was $80k inside there would literally be noone driving.

He means FT inside.
I know more than one driver who took a pay cut to take a FT inside job. If it was the same as driver pay not a lot of people would drive.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Because they’re not contractually obligated too?

I was thinking because it makes more economic sense to hire 10 PT workers at minimum wage and no benefits then to hire 1 FT worker at $40/hr and Lord knows how many hundreds of Dollars a week more in benefits.

 

[PT Car Washer]

He means FT inside.
I know more than one driver who took a pay cut to take a FT inside job. If it was the same as driver pay not a lot of people would drive.

Those FT inside jobs are very limited to just car wash or Feeder wash or Porter jobs. Used to be a few FT Union clerk jobs but most of those have been eliminated. I would guess most building do not have any of these jobs. My building has maybe a dozen combined and everyone has over 40 years FT seniority. Some close to 50.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Those FT inside jobs are very limited to just car wash or Feeder wash or Porter jobs. Used to be a few FT Union clerk jobs but most of those have been eliminated. I would guess most building do not have any of these jobs. My building has maybe a dozen combined and everyone has over 40 years FT seniority. Some close to 50.

You know how you get more FT jobs?
You bargain for them.

But you're not interested in that because you've never wanted to work a full time job, you want high pay and little work.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I guess delivery drivers should be happy making $20/hr with no OT protection. Next years contract proposal? I'll keep my $40/hr PT job.

You mean starting? There’s a Progression just like all of us went through this one’s a little longer than I would like. But it’s not abnormal to have a progression.

I was thinking because it makes more economic sense to hire 10 PT workers at minimum wage and no benefits then to hire 1 FT worker at $40/hr and Lord knows how many hundreds of Dollars a week more in benefits.

Sure it probably does make economic sense for them. But not for us so we should be pushing for more full-time jobs

 

[nWo]

Senate Republicans failed in a bid to force labor unions and railroads to resolve a fight over contract negotiations, ahead of a strike that threatens to paralyze much of the US rail system.

Republican Richard Burr sought unanimous consent for a resolution that would force the two sides to accept the recommendations of a presidential emergency board established by President Joe Biden. That would require agreement from all senators, and Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont, objected, arguing freight rail workers need better sick leave.

If you are committed to striking you better watch who you vote for in November.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

If you are committed to striking you better watch who you vote for in November.

President Joe Biden blocks freight railroad strike that would disrupt shipments for at least 60 days

The strike would disrupt shipments of a variety of goods for a minimum of 60 days.

www.ketv.com

 

[Teamlifer95]

What do you really want ?

This is an excellant topic of conversation to be started about a year before voting a new contract. First of all the senior employees need to make sure to get to know each of the employees who have been kept and decide to stay (more importantly these days) after their 30 day probation period and gains seniority. Senior members need to talk to and explain what being in the Union really means to them and their future with UPS. They will be the future of UPS succeeding and for our pensions to continue being paid, they need to understand how important it is to vote on the contract.
PT employees need new language for paid breaks for anything worked over 4.5 hours- I know in our hub we haven't seen under 30 hours weekly as part time employees the majority of this contract. PT employees are working 5-8 hours daily without any breaks.
New language for complaints filed on supervisors working, when it is clear violation of management working and complaint is filed have local level meeting withing the month complaint filed, and paid within a 2 week period of being settled.
Keep health and welfare benefits the same or better.
Continue with reasonable guaranteed annual raises.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

This is an excellant topic of conversation to be started about a year before voting a new contract. First of all the senior employees need to make sure to get to know each of the employees who have been kept and decide to stay (more importantly these days) after their 30 day probation period and gains seniority. Senior members need to talk to and explain what being in the Union really means to them and their future with UPS. They will be the future of UPS succeeding and for our pensions to continue being paid, they need to understand how important it is to vote on the contract.
PT employees need new language for paid breaks for anything worked over 4.5 hours- I know in our hub we haven't seen under 30 hours weekly as part time employees the majority of this contract. PT employees are working 5-8 hours daily without any breaks.
New language for complaints filed on supervisors working, when it is clear violation of management working and complaint is filed have local level meeting withing the month complaint filed, and paid within a 2 week period of being settled.
Keep health and welfare benefits the same or better.
Continue with reasonable guaranteed annual raises.

Well the break time would have be put into your local supplement.

 

[DELACROIX]

No argument there. Or if they would pay me a pension for all years worked instead of stopping at 35. Maybe next contract. I'm dreaming.

The real question that you need to ask is what happened to your part time pension contributions or increases and why did it magically stop at 35 years?

I keep bringing this up ... the part timer’s under the Western continue to increase their pension benefits past 35 years and beyond. If they are getting those negotiated monetary contributions and improvements why aren’t you. If somebody under the West can post just what a 40 year part timer (Peer 84) clears if they decide to retire today it would explain everything.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

The real question that you need to ask is what happened to your part time pension contributions or increases and why did it magically stop at 35 years?

Unfortunately for him, he's in the PT plan.

Article 34

(i) UPS Part-time Pension Plan

$2275 for retirement at any age after 35 years of part-time Credited Service

Thats where it ends....

 

[PT Car Washer]

If you are committed to striking you better watch who you vote for in November.

I'm sure country club Republicans and the MAGA lunatics are going to look out for working men and women in this country. LOL

 

[boxerdan]

$40 x 4 hrs x 5 days x 52 weeks = $41,600

If it was $80k inside there would literally be noone driving.

You are out of touch with the current reality of UPS if you think 4 hours a day is common inside these days.

 

[PT Car Washer]

You know how you get more FT jobs?
You bargain for them.

But you're not interested in that because you've never wanted to work a full time job, you want high pay and little work.

Yeah I'll go in tomorrow and negotiate with the Ctr manager over creating some more FT jobs. LOL

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

He means FT inside.
I know more than one driver who took a pay cut to take a FT inside job. If it was the same as driver pay not a lot of people would drive.

Driving is a lot of responsibility