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El Correcto

god is dead
So you skipped school, your mom got out of paying the bad parent fine, and that means public education is a scam....

Mkay then.
No, it’s a scam because like most federal programs it has expanded past its usefulness and is now becoming more of a hinderance than a help for most students.

Why do future mechanics need to know the difference between plant cells and animal cells or about osmosis? They don’t.

Schools shouldn’t be eating up your prime education years 15-18 years olds with a standardized shotgun approach. You should be learning to join a workforce if you’re more suited for that than being prepped to attend a college which will waste more of your money and prime working/learning years towards a goal that might not be for you.

How many people do you work with that have graduated college and then still went onto drive a truck at ups? I know quite a few. They wasted time on that degree and me skipping that going straight to ups got me a head start on them. I want to see more kids getting that head start sooner. Child labor laws and public schools are a hinderance to our workforce. These teenagers need real workforce experience, not to be writing essays on to kill a mockingbird.

Public schools are just expanding past the usefulness of teaching you what you need to get by in this world, reading, writing, math into this unnecessary level of education that we are paying tax dollars towards and it’s not being used by most.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
And another thing I don’t like about college is the credit system and how much you have to learn that isn’t relevant to what I want to achieve and how much wasted time is spent on things with no real world practicality in your field. Its all bull:censored2: and holds back people from achieving in my eyes. Especially limiting kids ability to get a job if they flunk out and get a ged. You don’t need a highschool diploma to drive a truck, yet it is a requirement. It’s a scam.
 

DriveInDriveOut

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No but I’d like to open up the opportunity for workforce experience in apprenticeships and trade schools for them. Something they’ll actually use that isn’t money being :censored2: down the drain teaching a plumber about atoms.
Whether a future plumber or future physicist, I'd hardly call learning about the world around you and developing critical thinking skills "money down the drain", but I appreciate the occupational pun.

BTW, the vo-tech opportunities do exist.
Sorry no one told you to take advantage of them.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Whether a future plumber or future physicist, I'd hardly call learning about the world around you and developing critical thinking skills "money down the drain", but I appreciate the occupational pun.

BTW, the vo-tech opportunities do exist.
Sorry no one told you to take advantage of them.
My view of education and the goal of spending money on it is to get a return on that investment. You want these kids contributing to society, making money to support themselves and paying taxes. You also want them to have purpose in life and opportunity.

I think our public school system can be tweaked to give the working class poor a better chance at having real world skills to trade in the market. You can romanticize teaching kids about the animal kingdom all you want, it’s not going to help these children in the long run knowing a platypus is a mammal that lays eggs.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
My view of education and the goal of spending money on it is to get a return on that investment. You want these kids contributing to society, making money to support themselves and paying taxes. You also want them to have purpose in life and opportunity.

I think our public school system can be tweaked to give the working class poor a better chance at having real world skills to trade in the market. You can romanticize teaching kids about the animal kingdom all you want, it’s not going to help these children in the long run knowing a platypus is a mammal that lays eggs.
I agree with what you're saying.... in regards to higher education. Applying that to grade school is assinine.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I agree with what you're saying.... in regards to higher education. Applying that to grade school is assinine.
I don’t feel that way. I think we baby kids too much and they can achieve more than we give them credit for. My grandfather ran away from home at age 14 and started working during the Great Depression era. He ended up raising a family of 6 without an education.
 

floridays

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No, it’s a scam because like most federal programs it has expanded past its usefulness and is now becoming more of a hinderance than a help for most students.

Why do future mechanics need to know the difference between plant cells and animal cells or about osmosis? They don’t.
Excellent evaluation.

Schools shouldn’t be eating up your prime education years 15-18 years olds with a standardized shotgun approach. You should be learning to join a workforce if you’re more suited for that than being prepped to attend a college which will waste more of your money and prime working/learning years towards a goal that might not be for you.

How many people do you work with that have graduated college and then still went onto drive a truck at ups? I know quite a few. They wasted time on that degree and me skipping that going straight to ups got me a head start on them. I want to see more kids getting that head start sooner. Child labor laws and public schools are a hinderance to our workforce. These teenagers need real workforce experience, not to be writing essays on to kill a mockingbird.

Public schools are just expanding past the usefulness of teaching you what you need to get by in this world, reading, writing, math into this unnecessary level of education that we are paying tax dollars towards and it’s not being used by most.
Excellent evaluation
 
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floridays

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Whether a future plumber or future physicist, I'd hardly call learning about the world around you and developing critical thinking skills "money down the drain", but I appreciate the occupational pun.

BTW, the vo-tech opportunities do exist.
Sorry no one told you to take advantage of them.
I would love one example of universities promoting critical thinking skills. You're a lost ball in high weeds. Give me one example, one that is all I ask. When you offer one, we can move from there. This can be a living, breathing conversation, you know, how your side viewes the US Constitution.
 

BadIdeaGuy

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Just saying you have a bad view point of what kids that age can achieve. my Grandfather is a prime example, he was raised in Oklahoma on a farm during the Great Depression and was heading to Texas before he was even an adult.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Treat them like incompetent idiots, and they'll grow into incompetent idiots. Give them responsibilities, and they'll keep the Republic strong for another generation.

Too many people severely underestimate what kids can do...
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Because I want them to get an education?

What are you rambling about lol.
We just have different views on what should be considered an education. I view the couple months I spent learning how to deliver at ups way more valuable than my 4 years of highschool aka college prep. I think more practical education teaching kids skills or fast tracking them to higher education that translates into making money and not reciting Snapple cap facts is the way to go.

From my point of view most people hardly remember anything they learned in highschool or use it on a day to day basis to make money. It’s just kind of become this societal norm that we pump money into an institution because “education” has become so important. I’m not saying education isn’t, I’m just saying is what they’re learning worth the investment? Shouldn’t we be streamlining this process especially for college students so they can be gaining hands on experience while studying for the things they need to know and getting to work in their field sooner?
 

It will be fine

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We just have different views on what should be considered an education. I view the couple months I spent learning how to deliver at ups way more valuable than my 4 years of highschool aka college prep. I think more practical education teaching kids skills or fast tracking them to higher education that translates into making money and not reciting Snapple cap facts is the way to go.

From my point of view most people hardly remember anything they learned in highschool or use it on a day to day basis to make money. It’s just kind of become this societal norm that we pump money into an institution because “education” has become so important. I’m not saying education isn’t, I’m just saying is what they’re learning worth the investment? Shouldn’t we be streamlining this process especially for college students so they can be gaining hands on experience while studying for the things they need to know and getting to work in their field sooner?
Society thanks you for not procreating.
 
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