Abortion

[newfie]

Here's what I want to know. If a couple, a couple you don't even know wants to end a pregnancy through a safe and lawful means and are willing to pay for it out of their own pocket , whose business is it beside their own? Despite the fact that you are a self appointed defender of the unborn what right do you have to interfere especially given that you enthusiastically joined an organization whose stated mission is to kill people while condemning those who didn't do the same as you?

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If a couple, a couple you don't even know wants to end grandma's like through a safe and lawful means and are willing to pay for it out of their own pocket , whose business is it beside their own?

you're in dangerous territory anytime you give anyone the right to be god over another persons life.

the issue now is modern medicine can now save that life much sooner then they could during Roe vs Wade.

the question then becomes co- equal rights. at what point does the woman have a right to terminate a pregnancy and the survivable baby have the right to be kept alive.

 

[bacha29]

There you go again making s up and projecting in the future.
Let me make s up and project into the future.
Alabama will now be overrun by doctors because they want to save people’s lives ... not kill them.

The Democrat minority in the Alabama legislature introduced an amendment to their newly passed and now strictest anti abortion law in the nation that allowed for an abortion in a case of incest but was defeated by the Republican controlled legislature. Not surprising because in a state known for inbreeding it would appear that they wanted to make sure that it's inbred population didn't decline in numbers..... And then they call Democrats......"dimwits".

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

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If a couple, a couple you don't even know wants to end grandma's like through a safe and lawful means and are willing to pay for it out of their own pocket , whose business is it beside their own?

you're in dangerous territory anytime you give anyone the right to be god over another persons life.

the issue now is modern medicine can now save that life much sooner then they could during Roe vs Wade.

the question then becomes co- equal rights. at what point does the woman have a right to terminate a pregnancy and the survivable baby have the right to be kept alive.

You think a baby can survive on it's own at 6 weeks gestational age? You need a biology lesson buddy.

 

[newfie]

The Democrat minority in the Alabama legislature introduced an amendment to their newly passed and now strictest anti abortion law in the nation that allowed for an abortion in a case of incest but was defeated by the Republican controlled legislature. Not surprising because in a state known for inbreeding it would appear that they wanted to make sure that it's inbred population didn't decline in numbers..... And then they call Democrats......"dimwits".

you realize that abortions probably kill more dimwits then republicans ?

 

[bacha29]

rephrased


If a couple, a couple you don't even know wants to end grandma's like through a safe and lawful means and are willing to pay for it out of their own pocket , whose business is it beside their own?

you're in dangerous territory anytime you give anyone the right to be god over another persons life.

the issue now is modern medicine can now save that life much sooner then they could during Roe vs Wade.

the question then becomes co- equal rights. at what point does the woman have a right to terminate a pregnancy and the survivable baby have the right to be kept alive.

Yet you're trying to be God and ruler over the lives of two consenting adults who are perfectly capable of making their own decisions completely capable of understanding and dealing with the consequences of their actions and currently have the rule of law backing their decisions . Yet you still haven't answered the question... just exactly what gives you the right to interfere in that decision because you ain't God despite the fact that you think you are.

 

[bacha29]

you realize that abortions probably kill more dimwits then republicans ?

You seem to be implying that Republicans are naturally smarter than Democrats. I hope not because that is the mindset of a closet Nazi.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

you realize that abortions probably kill more dimwits then republicans ?

Than*.
Dimwit.

 

[newfie]

Yet you're trying to be God and ruler over the lives of two consenting adults who are perfectly capable of making their own decisions completely capable of understanding and dealing with the consequences of their actions and currently have the rule of law backing their decisions . Yet you still haven't answered the question... just exactly what gives you the right to interfere in that decision because you ain't God despite the fact that you think you are.

adults consenting to commit murder? how silly.

no i'm speaking for the life of the consenting baby who may wish to consent to being allowed to live

 

[newfie]

You seem to be implying that Republicans are naturally smarter than Democrats. I hope not because that is the mindset of a closet Nazi.

I didnt say anything about who was smarter. I think people who will have abortions are more likely to vote for democrats and raise future democrats.

 

[bacha29]

adults consenting to commit murder? how silly.

no i'm speaking for the life of the consenting baby who may wish to consent to being allowed to live

And do you think they'll pay attention to anything you have to say ? Yes, you can voice your freedom of speech guaranteed opposition to the 46 year long practice but nothing more. Eric Rudolph can attest to that from his permanent residence at Super Max.

 

[floridays]

And do you think they'll pay attention to anything you have to say ? Yes, you can voice your freedom of speech guaranteed opposition to the 46 year long practice but nothing more. Eric Rudolph can attest to that from his permanent residence at Super Max.

Just a point of information, exactly how many abortions have you been a direct party to?
How many indirectly, you fight too hard for an uneffected individual.

 

[newfie]

And do you think they'll pay attention to anything you have to say ?

great question to ask yourself

 

[vantexan]

From my perspective if the court wants to overturn Roe vs Wade that's fine but when thousands of aborted fetuses are found in garbage dumpsters children born into a culture of poverty with so conditions so impoverished that they can never escape it and to parents who didn't want them to begin with are woefully unfit to be a parent and treat the kid accordingly this will not be on my conscience. Not to mention fragile state budgets broken under the crushing weight of an exploding and out of control demand for healthcare services with only so much in the way of services and public money to go around this will all be on you.

Oh by the way........how many foster kids are you going to take in under your roof?

Guess what, there are jobs to be had. People don't have to live in poverty if they so choose.

 

[vantexan]

Yes, the "butcher babies" state will bear the costs as well as having to prepare to bear the costs of the scores coming in from the abortion banned states seeking an abortion while those states go to Washington saying "hey HHS we need a 2 billion dollar emergency appropriation (handout) because our healthcare and human services system is collapsing due to millions in uncompensated care provided to children of parents unable to provide for their needs.

Meanwhile your side fights to have the taxpayer pay for healthcare for millions of illegal immigrants. Can't imagine why the system is collapsing.

 

[vantexan]

In that regard I find what a retired Presbyterian minister once told me quite interesting. " Many of the people who appose abortion are the very people who finds it perfectly ok for the kid to get his head blown off 18 years later fighting a war in behalf of special interests (oil) and intelligence that is at best suspect".

So you're comparing the slaughter of tens of millions of innocent babies to the thousands of deaths of adults who volunteered to fight? Any life cut off early is tragic, but to give equivalency to the above shows just how morally bankrupt you are.

 

[newfie]

now that we've had our fun with the abortion debate for the zillioneth time, i dont think the Alabama bill will hold up under scrutiny from the courts. its way too restrictive to hold up in todays world . i would predict that a lower court will overturn it and the supreme court will decline the review .

 

[bacha29]

Meanwhile your side fights to have the taxpayer pay for healthcare for millions of illegal immigrants. Can't imagine why the system is collapsing.

Coming from a guy who refused to purchase his own health insurance had to go to the hospital and then throw himself on to the mercy of the hospital and ask to pay the same rate as that charged to people in the insurance pool who do purchase health insurance.

 

[bacha29]

So you're comparing the slaughter of tens of millions of innocent babies to the thousands of deaths of adults who volunteered to fight? Any life cut off early is tragic, but to give equivalency to the above shows just how morally bankrupt you are.

I find it quite interesting that you chose to omit those who did not volunteer to fight ( WW's I an II ,Korea, Vietnam ) but had to anyway given no choice as well as the millions of civilians caught up in the crossfire. Of the 70 million killed in WWII the majority were civilians.

 

[bacha29]

now that we've had our fun with the abortion debate for the zillioneth time, i dont think the Alabama bill will hold up under scrutiny from the courts. its way too restrictive to hold up in todays world . i would predict that a lower court will overturn it and the supreme court will decline the review .

As I said before I say again after 15 weeks the pregnancy goes the distance unless certain conditions are met. That's enough time to decide.

 

[vantexan]

Coming from a guy who refused to purchase his own health insurance had to go to the hospital and then throw himself on to the mercy of the hospital and ask to pay the same rate as that charged to people in the insurance pool who do purchase health insurance.

I didn't do any such thing. It's their policy to give a 78% discount to self pay patients. Didn't matter because at time I had insurance through JC Penny.