Abortion

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I find it quite interesting that you chose to omit those who did not volunteer to fight ( WW's I an II ,Korea, Vietnam ) but had to anyway given no choice as well as the millions of civilians caught up in the crossfire. Of the 70 million killed in WWII the majority were civilians.
I'm sorry, did we have a policy of aborting babies during those times? Since Row v Wade we have had a volunteer military. And back in those times the vast majority of people didn't abort their babies.
 

floridays

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now that we've had our fun with the abortion debate for the zillioneth time, i dont think the Alabama bill will hold up under scrutiny from the courts. its way too restrictive to hold up in todays world . i would predict that a lower court will overturn it and the supreme court will decline the review .
I think it may not be able to be discarded. I say wait until the first challenge comes and see where the pleadings and response lead, the 11th Circuit will hear the first appeal after a conviction. The Supreme Court will have to decide it, or prove to be another political body.
 

Indecisi0n

Well-Known Member
I am a true believer in always trying something at least once for the experience so who are we to take this away from some women ?


Abort on!
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, did we have a policy of aborting babies during those times? Since Row v Wade we have had a volunteer military. And back in those times the vast majority of people didn't abort their babies.
Why would they? The baby mortality rate was more than just a bit higher back then not to mention the number of mother's who died in child birth and an overall life expectancy about a third less than today. The women of America in that time had it a lot rougher, few job opportunities, almost no chance at a higher education, no access to birth control many physically and sexually abused and they're not going back to that life again. That much is clearly evidenced in today's birth numbers which shows that the US birth rate is the lowest in 32 years and impacts all age groups except those 35 and older. They've got power, education and money and they're not going to thwart all attempts to take it from them.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
I think it may not be able to be discarded. I say wait until the first challenge comes and see where the pleadings and response lead, the 11th Circuit will hear the first appeal after a conviction. The Supreme Court will have to decide it, or prove to be another political body.

I just think the supreme court does not want to touch it and will avoid doing so if possible
 

turq

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Having to make that decision is just an awful, horrible decision to have to make. It should never, ever be taken lightly ( I don't think it is). But before the embryo is viable, it's completely a women's decision on what happens to her body. ( have you noticed it's mostly Men making these ridiculous laws) After however...when it is viable, that's a whole other ball of wax. There should be some clear guidelines on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. But at six weeks most women don't even know they are pregnant.
 

newfie

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Having to make that decision is just an awful, horrible decision to have to make. It should never, ever be taken lightly ( I don't think it is). But before the embryo is viable, it's completely a women's decision on what happens to her body. ( have you noticed it's mostly Men making these ridiculous laws) After however...when it is viable, that's a whole other ball of wax. There should be some clear guidelines on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. But at six weeks most women don't even know they are pregnant.

woman governor signed the law
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
Having to make that decision is just an awful, horrible decision to have to make. It should never, ever be taken lightly ( I don't think it is). But before the embryo is viable, it's completely a women's decision on what happens to her body. ( have you noticed it's mostly Men making these ridiculous laws) After however...when it is viable, that's a whole other ball of wax. There should be some clear guidelines on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. But at six weeks most women don't even know they are pregnant.

What’s also random is that doctors count the age of the embryo starting at the day of the mother’s last period, for some reason unknown to me.

My first kid was through IVF, so we knew the literal moment of ‘conception’, but that’s not when they started the clock.

So now you have a situation where not only does a woman not know she’s pregnant, but the metric that determines the implanted embryos’ ‘age’ might actually add two weeks, further complicating the situation.

I get people don’t want abortions to occur, especially when, you know, ‘just be responsible’, etc.

But these same states that are working real hard to restrict abortion are in many cases working real hard to restrict...

Birth control.

Really? At that point it just seems like legislation aimed at controlling women.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
That's right. It is about the right to choose but your comments clearly support denying a woman the right to choose
Please quote my comment " that clearly support denying a woman the right to choose."
BTW accusing me of having a "twisted life" is a personal attack if ever there was one.
There is no accusation in my quote.
My comment about your twisted life came from what you said about how you were raised by what sounded like anything but a balanced father. If you think it was a personal attack, clearly you have lived a sheltered twisted life.
Oh yeah, doesn't your Jesus book say something about turning the other cheek?
It's your Jesus book, too. Maybe you should study it a little more.
There is no application at all to the text you quote in anything we have discussed.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Protection and funding of abortion is federal tyranny. It’s the only reason I really care about abortion at all. They pulled the ruling out their ass and took power from voters who don’t want that. If states want to ban abortion that is constitutional, same for the feds.

Federal funding is another thing that shouldn’t be happening, I’m tired of them declaring entitlements as “rights”. Yeah the working folk don’t want to pay for this crap and it’s running up debt. Reforms are inevitable to the bad legislation that’s stuck with us after two world wars, a civil war, multiple economic recessions and depression etc.. I see a lot of the civil rights and federal redistribution policies as temporary fixes, band aids legislators who had a lot of angry Americans to answer to payssed.

“Progress” in the overall trend of statism in America is a bad idea. This is not some new technological, equality and justice fueled propulsion into the future of mankind. This is called government tyranny, a road to hell paved with good intentions, being built by people with crab mentalities.

I don’t care about abortion, I care about how abortion was passed nation wide from the bench without amending the constitution. That is voter suppression. I don’t see this as challenging women’s rights, I see it as challenging the fed’s authority.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
I don’t care about abortion, I care about how abortion was passed nation wide from the bench without amending the constitution. That is voter suppression. I don’t see this as challenging women’s rights, I see it as challenging the fed’s authority.
Many laws are passed without changing the Constitution. Ttku......
 

El Correcto

god is dead
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I don’t care about abortion, I care about how abortion was passed nation wide from the bench without amending the constitution. That is voter suppression. I don’t see this as challenging women’s rights, I see it as challenging the fed’s authority.
Many laws are passed without changing the Constitution. Ttku......[/QUOTE]
Yes I know, the feds are out of control.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Yes I know, the feds are out of control.
They've been out of control since Europeans set foot on the Western hemisphere.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of an imperial story, about how the British handled Muslim men burning widows alive to honor their husbands.

When we got here, :censored2: would of gone a lot smoother if they weren’t stupid heathen pagans worshipping some naked dude cutting out hearts to honor the sun instead of developing human society and technology.
 
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