Abortion

[vantexan]

'Uncle Sugar'? is that the Uncle Sugar who will be depositing a check in your bank account every month and chances are he'll be giving you more money than you gave him? Is that the Uncle Sugar who will be picking up the tab for about 80% of your medical bills in a few years? Is that the Uncle Sugar who might in the end have to pay your nursing home bill because a nursing home is the only place that will take you because you have nowhere else to go and because you have no money and it's the only place that will accept Medicaid reimbursement? That Uncle Sugar?

For the millionth time, no one invests in anything with the idea of getting back exactly what they put in. Not to mention money 40 years ago was worth a lot more than it is today. So whatever I get from SS is my money invested, not a government handout.

 

[bacha29]

If you make 2 much money you dont get free money, and just because you go to in state school you dont get free money. Also even if you get free money it dont always cover everything. Peel grants are not handed out to everyone if your income is 2 high.

So based on what you're saying you are in fact attending a state supported public university. You didn't HAVE to go there. You could have gone to a private university with minimal government oversight and government MONEY. Clearly your anger is founded in the fact that you didn't get to go for free. If enough public dollars were available perhaps you could have gone for free . But unfortunately the state and federal government are not going to stretch their budgets to the limit to provide as much funding for public education as it can without guidelines and oversight. if you don't want the deal don't take it .

 

[bacha29]

the point of the post, college was cheaper before the government got involved

Right and the overall cost of higher education was cheaper at the time you left just as was the case with everything else back then.

 

[Jkloc420]

So based on what you're saying you are in fact attending a state supported public university. You didn't HAVE to go there. You could have gone to a private university with minimal government oversight and government MONEY. Clearly your anger is founded in the fact that you didn't get to go for free. If enough public dollars were available perhaps you could have gone for free . But unfortunately the state and federal government are not going to stretch their budgets to the limit to provide as much funding for public education as it can without guidelines and oversight. if you don't want the deal don't take it .

Nothing to be angry about, you just have no clue how colleges work or what goes into the student loan process.

 

[Jkloc420]

Right and the overall cost of higher education was cheaper at the time you left just as was the case with everything else back then.

Do you know the cost of a 3 credit college course

 

[bacha29]

For the millionth time, no one invests in anything with the idea of getting back exactly what they put in. Not to mention money 40 years ago was worth a lot more than it is today. So whatever I get from SS is my money invested, not a government handout.

But it's still 'Uncle Sugar" running the program. It's still the same old thing with you. Any government program that doesn't directly benefit you personally is wasted government spending. In fact today I was at the grocery store and had to wait for the 2 women ahead of me to sort out which of the items they bought could be payed for with their SNAP benefits card. The point is it's not up to me to decide if they were truly needy or were or were not eligible. That's for the auditors and investigators to determine. So here's an idea instead of continuing in your current role as a self appointed guardian of the public coffers become a state auditor so you can beat up the dead beats and it might actually accomplish something.

 

[bacha29]

Do you know the cost of a 3 credit college course

Imagine what it would cost if you attended a private university that refuses public funding assistance? And if it was a private university or no university at all chances are for you it would be no college at all. As imperfect as public education funding might be from your standpoint you're not the only person attending that public university so it can only tailor it's budgets ,curriculum and tuition fees in a way that will do the most good for the most students If the program doesn't perfectly suit your objectives there's always private universities.

 

[newfie]

Oh, now that I mentioned the possibility of what an overturned Taft Hartley could have on YOUR SALARY and bonus plan you start to pay attention if not flat out worrying as you damn well should.

That's a Dodge. What challenge to Taft Hartley is in front of SCOTUS?

 

[newfie]

FICA tax dollars can only be invested in obligations of the US Government which severely limits it's investment options. Like we discussed before Bush wanted to privatize Social Security just ahead of the worst recession in years. Yes, the returns are modest but they are free from stock market speculation, management fees and people constantly borrowing or with drawing from their accounts.

Your government mismanages money to the extent of a 22 trillion dollar deficit. Where are these modest returns you speak of?

 

[newfie]

Of course it's not free but imagine the size of the student loans you would need without public support? Like wise without public support imagine the size of the loan your parents would have to take out just to get you through high school?

If no one could afford to go the cost would go down

 

[bacha29]

That's a Dodge. What challenge to Taft Hartley is in front of SCOTUS?

When a swing vote proof SCOTUS is in place be prepared. Remember the new abortion legislation is driven by the same anticipation of that swing vote proof SCOTUS being in place for decades.

 

[bacha29]

If no one could afford to go the cost would go down

That's why you have public support for the cost of higher education.

 

[newfie]

When a swing vote proof SCOTUS is in place be prepared. Remember the new abortion legislation is driven by the same anticipation of that swing vote proof SCOTUS being in place for decades.

Idle speculation. Taft Hartley has little significance either way.

 

[newfie]

That's why you have public support for the cost of higher education.

I'm thinking more of the many kids that pay 200 k to earn a degree that gets them 40 k a year. What a waste

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Your government mismanages money to the extent of a 22 trillion dollar deficit.

Thanks Trump.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Of course it's not free but imagine the size of the student loans you would need without public support? Like wise without public support imagine the size of the loan your parents would have to take out just to get you through high school?

Public funding and support is fine and all, the problem is federally guaranteeing student loans. The tax payers should not be on the hook for someone massively over paying a private University for a degree in a field that will most likely never put them in a position to fully pay back those loans.

 

[BrownArmy]

Public funding and support is fine and all, the problem is federally guaranteeing student loans. The tax payers should not be on the hook for someone massively over paying a private University for a degree in a field that will most likely never put them in a position to fully pay back those loans.

It’s the same problem we have with Healthcare in this country.

Costs are arbitrary and rise based on nothing but profit-based motives.

The only reason Healthcare and Post-secondary education are so expensive in the States is that they’re allowed to be.

There’s a complete idiot on here saying that ‘college’ costs so much because the Government is involved.

I mean, where to start...

We’re the richest country in the absolute history of countries, but we’ve made a decision to put profits over everything else...

What’s frustrating for many of us is that it doesn’t have to be this way in the States.

Just on healthcare: in the US, our healthcare spending is 1/8 of the entire US budget, yet we haven’t reached universal coverage, we’re near the bottom globally in healthcare outcomes, and we spend waaay too much treating end-of-life morbidities that could have been averted had our citizens had simple annual checkups with a doctor.

It’s RIDICULOUS.

We don’t have a supply problem, we have a distribution problem.

We’re literally over-paying so that folk can die in expensive ways.

Freedom!

 

[vantexan]

But it's still 'Uncle Sugar" running the program. It's still the same old thing with you. Any government program that doesn't directly benefit you personally is wasted government spending. In fact today I was at the grocery store and had to wait for the 2 women ahead of me to sort out which of the items they bought could be payed for with their SNAP benefits card. The point is it's not up to me to decide if they were truly needy or were or were not eligible. That's for the auditors and investigators to determine. So here's an idea instead of continuing in your current role as a self appointed guardian of the public coffers become a state auditor so you can beat up the dead beats and it might actually accomplish something.

Easier to just shake your skull until the pea rolling around in it falls out. For the millionth time, a safety net is fine. Just don't make a lifestyle out of it. According to Trump 5 million are no longer receiving food stamps because they've gotten jobs. Are you disappointed they aren't still on food stamps?

 

[bacha29]

Easier to just shake your skull until the pea rolling around in it falls out. For the millionth time, a safety net is fine. Just don't make a lifestyle out of it. According to Trump 5 million are no longer receiving food stamps because they've gotten jobs. Are you disappointed they aren't still on food stamps?

Same old thing out of you. Always pointing the finger at someone else who is receiving benefits and never stop to consider how much in the way of public benefits you've consumed or will likely consume going forward. it's always the other guy.You justify what you get by calling it a "safety net" while the benefits the other guys gets is in your opinion wasteful spending.

 

[newfie]

Same old thing out of you. Always pointing the finger at someone else who is receiving benefits and never stop to consider how much in the way of public benefits you've consumed or will likely consume going forward. it's always the other guy.You justify what you get by calling it a "safety net" while the benefits the other guys gets is in your opinion wasteful spending.

kind of like when you speak to the rights of the woman to have an abortion while the other guy in this case the baby is denied his rights to live.