Active thread - Zimmerman Not Guilty

[wkmac]

The black gangs are but pawns in the big game.

Its not the blacks who are importing the drugs into this country, its not the blacks who are laundering the billions of dollars of profits from drug money, its not the blacks who are spending billions of dollars in our tax revenue to fight the so-called "war', and its not the blacks who are writing and enforcing the laws that perpetuate the entire corrupt system.

Good for you Sober. Gary Webb and his Dark Alliance research among others blew the cover off who was behind the very elements you speak of. Also if one begins to look into something called Black Wall Street aka Greenwood/Tulsa OK, Jackson Ward in Richmond Virginia, Parrish Street in Durham NC, one starts to realize that African Americans were building lives and communities and yet how did we go from there to where we are today? I'm often amazed of the claims in how only 12% of the population can wreck so much upon better than 80% of the remaining population. So much for that superiority theory!

Watching this issue from mostly afar sure has been instructive in learning about many of the people here and what really makes them tick. It will serve well as a factor in viewing their comments here in this entire forum going forward.

 

[island1fox]

Wow,

The "elite" has spoken. Of course there are no problems --or any that a little personal responsibility and making good life choices could solve. It is the "systems" fault ???
not the imploding of the family unit !!

 

[Catatonic]

Watching this issue from mostly afar sure has been instructive in learning about many of the people here and what really makes them tick. It will serve well as a factor in viewing their comments here in this entire forum going forward.

Who were you enlightened about (for future posts consideration) the most in this thread? On each side?

Very predictable base of arguments for most of the participants.

I learned a little more about islandfox and 728ups myself.

 

[bbsam]

Wow,

The "elite" has spoken. Of course there are no problems --or any that a little personal responsibility and making good life choices could solve. It is the "systems" fault ???
not the imploding of the family unit !!

It can't be both?

 

[brett636]

Comparing blacks to Italians, Irish and other ethnic groups when it comes to immigration history and success at "picking yourself up" conveniently overlooks some key facts.

1. The Italians and Irish came here by choice. Blacks didnt.

2. Italians and Irish were legally classified as human beings with constitutional rights when they arrived here. Blacks werent.

3. Italians and Irish arrived here as family groups and tended to stick together and help one another. Black families were seperated and sold off, with fathers going to one owner and mothers and children to another.


When you apply a world wide perspective to this issue, the lesson throughout history that becomes clear is that when one race or culture subjugates and conquers another, it can take generations for the damage to be undone. Look at how poorly the Native Americans have "assimilated" to the white-imposed way of life that was forced upon them on the reservations. Look at how poorly the aboriginal peoples have done in other nations (Australia, or the various European colonies in Africa for example) that have been conquered by force and then ultimately "freed" by the conqueror.

I'm aware that progress has been made, I'm aware that we now have a black President, and I'm aware of the power of free will and personal responsibility. All I am saying is that when you subjugate and dehumanize an entire race for generations, that race isnt suddenly going to just "pick themselves up" and act the way you think they ought to according to your timeable.

This assumption that anyone with a dark skin complexion automatically has ties to the pre civil war days of slavery is mostly untrue. In fact, if I am not mistaken only around 10% of the current U.S. population has family roots that date back before the civil war. You are ignoring the fact that we had an immigration boom in the post civil war days going into the 20th century where most modern day Americans have connections too. Case in point during the days of the civil war and prior my own family was still spread out around Europe, and I have no verifiable roots in the U.S. prior to the late 19th century. This holds true for most blacks today. The sad truth is its easier to play the victim than it is to take ownership for one's own personal situation.

 

[bbsam]

If 12% of Americans are African American and only 10% can trace their roots to pre Civil War, that's still the vast majority.

 

[moreluck]

We have yet to have a black president. He's as white as Zimmerman (50%)

 

[oldngray]

If 12% of Americans are African American and only 10% can trace their roots to pre Civil War, that's still the vast majority.

I think he meant 10% of that 12% (or 13%)

 

[island1fox]

That's the problem with the Birth certicate --He was born "White" Yes, people learn so much from posts --how easily people "judge" and throw the hidden race card --imagine if they found out I have been married to a minority for over 35 years or just like Zimmerman --took a Black woman to my Prom -when it was not politically correct to do so --or have mentored minority children --opps -that sounds like that racist Zimmerman --How sad and shallow some people are--only they are perfect and pure in thought and action ---except when they look directly in the mirror.

 

[Catatonic]

This assumption that anyone with a dark skin complexion automatically has ties to the pre civil war days of slavery is mostly untrue. In fact, if I am not mistaken only around 10% of the current U.S. population has family roots that date back before the civil war. You are ignoring the fact that we had an immigration boom in the post civil war days going into the 20th century where most modern day Americans have connections too. Case in point during the days of the civil war and prior my own family was still spread out around Europe, and I have no verifiable roots in the U.S. prior to the late 19th century. This holds true for most blacks today. The sad truth is its easier to play the victim than it is to take ownership for one's own personal situation.

Sorry but this is not correct.
What you are saying applies to the population as a whole.
Most current American blacks (85 - 90 %) are descendants of slaves in America prior to the end of the American Civil war.

As a side note: No current American blacks were slaves in America prior to the end of the American Civil war.

 

[moreluck]

You were never a slave and I never owned any slaves........probably a true statement regarding anyone on this site.

 

[brett636]

Sorry but this is not correct.
What you are saying applies to the population as a whole.
Most current American blacks (85 - 90 %) are descendants of slaves in America prior to the end of the American Civil war.

As a side note: No current American blacks were slaves in America prior to the end of the American Civil war.

Either way its pretty much irrelevant. Being that no black slaves are still in existence in the U.S. simply means that they are are slaves to their own poor self image and choices rather than the choices of others like so many want us to believe.

 

[bbsam]

Either way its pretty much irrelevant. Being that no black slaves are still in existence in the U.S. simply means that they are are slaves to their own poor self image and choices rather than the choices of others like so many want us to believe.

Because everybody in the US has equal opportunity?

 

[moreluck]

Because everybody in the US has equal opportunity?

women don't !!!

 

[bbsam]

I've found that most women who claim they don't really do.

 

[brett636]

Because everybody in the US has equal opportunity?

That is correct. The opportunity to make choices, both good and bad, and to reap the rewards or suffer the consequences of such choices. Based upon your own personal story that you have posted on here you should be the first person to recognize this.

 

[bbsam]

That is correct. The opportunity to make choices, both good and bad, and to reap the rewards or suffer the consequences of such choices. Based upon your own personal story that you have posted on here you should be the first person to recognize this.

That story begins before that. Begins when I answers an ad for UPS at the small, private, liberal arts college I was attending. I've had a lifetime of opportunities that many never have.

 

[bbsam]

Takes an open mind to be able to realize that.

 

[Brownslave688]

Either way its pretty much irrelevant. Being that no black slaves are still in existence in the U.S. simply means that they are are slaves to their own poor self image and choices rather than the choices of others like so many want us to believe.

Because everybody in the US has equal opportunity?

Most of it comes down to parents creating an environment for good opportunity. This is why many times I've look at a couple with a young child in public, looked at my wife and said "that kid doesn't stand a chance"

 

[moreluck]

I've found that most women who claim they don't really do.

70 cents to the men's dollar an hour............yep, that's fair and equal.