Damn you make a lot of sen
so in your opinion what's holding it up?
ANY new info on 710 contract?
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710 steward
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Your guess is as good as mine on take two of the 710 agreement. Our leadership has said zero about any negotiations and have been tight lipped about everything. The membership is upset with the contract and even more upset with the 710 leadership. I'm not sure what it's going to take to get a contract passed.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The Union wanted the healthcare as it can be a money maker for them (and us). Our Teamster healthcare plan has an 18 month surplus.
710 steward
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While it may feel this way to you right now, I think you underestimate the power of strength in numbers. There are thousands of Teamsters other than just UPS Teamsters. What we need is new leadership and a more modern blueprint of where we need to be as a union.
Big Bad Wolf
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710 steward
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Did anyone make the meeting today? Any info would be appreciated.
How does the union "make" money on H&W?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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By paying less in claims and administrative costs than the company pays in contributions.
The math is simple----if UPS pays me $2 and I am able to get the job done for $1 I pocket the other $1.
OK UPS pays the H&W plan $2 and they play the claim of $1. How does the "union" get the other $1?
Ours has about 20 months. Sounds pretty good to me.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The H&W plan is controlled by the union. Yes, the money cannot be used for other union needs (pension), but it also does not have to be given back to the company.
The union can't use H&W money to buy a light bulb. Your statement (bolded above) was inaccurate.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Whatever.
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Foamer Pyle
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The teamsters are not strong anymore, and their pensions are broke. One thing the Republicans have done successfully is change public opinion regarding Unions. Let's face it, the auto industry and the airlines were both ruined by the unions. That's what happens when employees believe that just because the company is making money they should keep getting more and more. That mentality is just as bad as Corporate greed.
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710 steward
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Unions as a whole are weaker because there are less union members now than there were 30 years ago. Not all of that is the unions fault. Automation has its role in it as well.
Poor management by corporations kill corporations. Sure blame the guy who is struggling to stay middle class while the CEO and the CFO make a thousand times more in compensation. Republicans didn't hurt the unions, the unions have hurt themselves too. Poorly run pensions systems and entitlement money have put a black eye on them as well. Unions will make a comeback in this country at some point. Don't believe me? The average worker makes less per hour and works more hours every single year. Maybe rethink your thoughts if you choose to post blanket statements.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Unions are on a decline from which there will be no return.
