APWA ???

[Just Lurking]

When I came in Monday night, there was a letter in my diad slot. It was addreessed to Any Seniority Driver at the center's address. A little sticker on the front - "Under NLRB rules UPS management cannot open this letter". The return address was _____ _____ UPS Feeder Driver in North Carolina. It was giving to me because i'm the senior shop steward

So there is a new shill working for APWA.

Whats funny about the letter is - We have feeder driver that is charter member. I had asked him a few days before what's up with the Carolina boys. He says they are going stron down south and looking to head back into midwest. I guess if they had sent it to their charter member it might have not ended up in the trash.

Also, they said CSPF would not be able to fund our pension. While I feel everyone in CSPF, this area is covered by our Local's pension fund. Atleast target your mailings to people your sending letters.

 

[Just Lurking]

When I came in Monday night, there was a letter in my diad slot. It was addreessed to Any Seniority Driver at the center's address. A little sticker on the front - "Under NLRB rules UPS management cannot open this letter". The return address was _____ _____ UPS Feeder Driver in North Carolina. It was giving to me because i'm the senior shop steward

So there is a new shill working for APWA.

Whats funny about the letter is - We have feeder driver that is charter member. I had asked him a few days before what's up with the Carolina boys. He says they are going stron down south and looking to head back into midwest. I guess if they had sent it to their charter member it might have not ended up in the trash.

Also, they said CSPF would not be able to fund our pension. While I feel everyone in CSPF, this area is covered by our Local's pension fund. Atleast target your mailings to people your sending letters.

 

[susiedriver]

....and if it's so bad here, why didn't you stay there?

Well, my little {deleted by moderator}, I guess I just missed you.

Oh happy days...

 

[Think]

Been informed by creditable source that a union busting group is funding this APWA drive. Think about it, united we stand, divided we fall. Instead if everyone came together to change and fix the problems we have right now, instead of going for the hopeful quick fix we won't have to worry about having a divided union. This situation reminds me of the union wars back in the day of James R. where separate unions sometimes same union but different locals would fight to represent employees for the bank roll AKA union dues. Makes sense that they would run a campaign to represent UPS employees, largest single union employer, then they try using the idea union for ONLY UPS EMPLOYEES as the selling point. Sometimes things are too good to be true.

 

[nospinzone]

Been informed by creditable source that a union busting group is funding this APWA drive. Think about it, united we stand, divided we fall. Instead if everyone came together to change and fix the problems we have right now, instead of going for the hopeful quick fix we won't have to worry about having a divided union. This situation reminds me of the union wars back in the day of James R. where separate unions sometimes same union but different locals would fight to represent employees for the bank roll AKA union dues. Makes sense that they would run a campaign to represent UPS employees, largest single union employer, then they try using the idea union for ONLY UPS EMPLOYEES as the selling point. Sometimes things are too good to be true.

Please give your creditable source. Everything Ive ever posted on here, Ive backed up with sources. If APWA is being funded by such a group, Id like to know about it. Otherwise, youre just spreading spreading hearsay and baseless accusations Mr. Think.
Nospin

 

[Just Lurking]

Please give your creditable source. Everything Ive ever posted on here, Ive backed up with sources. If APWA is being funded by such a group, Id like to know about it. Otherwise, youre just spreading spreading hearsay and baseless accusations Mr. Think.
Nospin

APWA came to our area and gave their presentation. Here are some questions that have not been answered for me in over a year.

IF you take the contribution rates for the past 30 years and 10 percent return, you do not get $840,000 balance thus no 10 percent pull down ($7000/month or $84000/yr) with 10 percent return equalling no loss balance. This is their plan for the pension.

1. What is the balance taking historical contribution rates and average market return? It's no where near $840000.
2. How are they going to gaurantee 10 percent return? Their answer is that they will transfer funds from one financial company to another if they don'y make a 10 percent return. Also, they are going to handle all pension funds for a 1/2 percent fee. With a limited fixed number of financial companies that can handle this amount of pension funds. How is this possible?
3. Health insurance was no contributions, $10 co-pays and see any doctor or specialist at any office or hospital with $100 individual /$200 family deductible. Prescriptions for $5 and generic free. I think everyone will laugh at any possible answer of how this would work.

Please, give their standard answer that its possible because only UPS people would be covered.

I forgot that they didn't have a plan for part-timers but were working on it.

 

[beentheredonethat]

dear unregistered (suggest you find another name as I think that one is already taken) ,

Not sure how many times I have to correct this common misunderstanding.

The Multi-Employer pension funds such as Central States are mutually managed by a panel of trustees.

The trustees consist of fifty percent union representation and fifty percent company representation.

CSPF for instance has six union reps and six company reps.

UPS has one of the company reps.

So if the CSPF, which is a totally separate entity from the International Brotherhood of Teamster by the way (another fact not apparently well understood), is robbing us feel free to blame UPS as well as the Teamsters because they would have to know about it and have been letting it go on.

OK, A couple of quick items.
You are right that the Pension fund is mutually overseen by a group of trustees with 1/2 coming from Teamsters and 1/2 coming from employers. You are also right that UPS has one delegate to the board. However, we only recently got the one delegate. So it's not as if UPS had all along been steering the fund into financial ruin. We got a delegate seat when we saw how bad things were getting and realized we needed to be represented. When you think of it, UPS has more then 1/6 of the active Central State Teamsters, yet it now only has one seat on the board. UPS is still underrepresented. Secondly as far as being a totally seperate entity, how do you figure? Teamsters negotiate a contract for employer to contribute to Pension fund. Money is then routed from employer to Pension fund, then the pension fund (hopefully) will pay the Teamster retirees when they retire. How many other totally seperate entities recieve money that the teamster negotiate in the contract from employers? I realize there is not a direct connection, but it is an entity that was created in part by the Teamsters. Quoting straight from the teamster.org web site.
"Each of the various Teamster funds was set up independently and is governed by its own set of union and management trustees and has its own investment board. Each fund sets its own contribution levels, member eligibility requirements and types and levels of benefit coverage — all determined by the respective collective bargaining agreements and the membership composition of that fund. " If the fund is a totally seperate entity then why on the teamster.org web site would they be talking about how the various "Teamster" funds was set up independently?

Keep in mind UPS has many independent entities, UPS of NY, UPS of Delaware, There is a master UPS company that controls all these entities, but technically they are seperate entities. But come on, it's a fund the teamsters set up with the employers. It's not totally seperate.

Been there

 

[wkmac]

OK, A couple of quick items.

beenthere.....that,
concerning OK2BC, read post #55 and specifically the 2nd sentence. Just thought I'd FYI you on this in case you were waiting on OK to respond. Also the post you quoted from of his was made back in October of last year and OK hasn't been here since just before the New Year.

 

[mittam]

Is this website for real??

Is anybody here a member? Do you really think they could take out the Teamsters?

i'm a member since May 05 yes they can get us out of the teamsres if everyone voices their desire, set a mmeting by contacting them via the web parcelworkers they have a contact section on there

 

[mittam]

This website is for real allright. It has been on Teamsternet for a while and is about a couple of feeder drivers in North Carolina trying to start up a new union to go up against the Teamsters. They must being screwed over by Cental States like I am. I just got thirty years total with UPS but can't get my shrinking pension for ten more years because I'm only fortyseven. Unfortunately I don't think they can get us out of the Teamsters.

scratch-king where you from they are having meetings all over the country I have been to 3 states for meetings this will work with people who want it to you just need to let people know in your center and get a group together, contact them through parcelworkers contact section and try to set a date

 

[mittam]

Been informed by creditable source that a union busting group is funding this APWA drive. Think about it, united we stand, divided we fall. Instead if everyone came together to change and fix the problems we have right now, instead of going for the hopeful quick fix we won't have to worry about having a divided union. This situation reminds me of the union wars back in the day of James R. where separate unions sometimes same union but different locals would fight to represent employees for the bank roll AKA union dues. Makes sense that they would run a campaign to represent UPS employees, largest single union employer, then they try using the idea union for ONLY UPS EMPLOYEES as the selling point. Sometimes things are too good to be true.

who is your credible source , funding for the APWA IS COMING FROM THOSE UPSers brave enough to take a chance and join the APWA and from no other source

 

[mittam]

APWA came to our area and gave their presentation. Here are some questions that have not been answered for me in over a year.

IF you take the contribution rates for the past 30 years and 10 percent return, you do not get $840,000 balance thus no 10 percent pull down ($7000/month or $84000/yr) with 10 percent return equalling no loss balance. This is their plan for the pension.

1. What is the balance taking historical contribution rates and average market return? It's no where near $840000.
2. How are they going to gaurantee 10 percent return? Their answer is that they will transfer funds from one financial company to another if they don'y make a 10 percent return. Also, they are going to handle all pension funds for a 1/2 percent fee. With a limited fixed number of financial companies that can handle this amount of pension funds. How is this possible?
3. Health insurance was no contributions, $10 co-pays and see any doctor or specialist at any office or hospital with $100 individual /$200 family deductible. Prescriptions for $5 and generic free. I think everyone will laugh at any possible answer of how this would work.

Please, give their standard answer that its possible because only UPS people would be covered.

I forgot that they didn't have a plan for part-timers but were working on it.

They do have a part-timer plan even a presentation for the part-timers so since this is a concern let all part-timers know so we can schedule them a meeting time

 

[scratch]

scratch-king where you from they are having meetings all over the country I have been to 3 states for meetings this will work with people who want it to you just need to let people know in your center and get a group together, contact them through parcelworkers contact section and try to set a date

One thing that I can't figure out from their website is what about someone in my situation. If you have twenty plus years vested in Central States, then somehow the IBT got decertified, what happens to all my Pension Credits? The APWA isn't going to have the money to pay me a full pension in a few years, and CS will surely go belly up right away. I see that the IBT is going to be under pressure because of the CS issue, and thats because of the APWA. No way will CS give any of its assets to another Pension Plan.

 

[tonyexpress]

Back in the USA after a hiatus.

Better look around with a critical eye. Things ain't so good here as you may think. Heaven help us all.

Everyone's Fave,

Suzie (ex)Driver

Heaven help us all, the sky is falling.

Typicall far left point of view, doom and gloom. Bush is the terrorist and we should show pity to the likes of Sadam and Osama.

Did you leave Slothrop in another Country?

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY AS WE CELEBRATE ANOTHER YEAR OF FREEDOM!!

 

[mittam]

One thing that I can't figure out from their website is what about someone in my situation. If you have twenty plus years vested in Central States, then somehow the IBT got decertified, what happens to all my Pension Credits? The APWA isn't going to have the money to pay me a full pension in a few years, and CS will surely go belly up right away. I see that the IBT is going to be under pressure because of the CS issue, and thats because of the APWA. No way will CS give any of its assets to another Pension Plan.

Go to web sight and in contact us part ask your question they will reply leave them a cell phone or home phone and best time to call they will get back to you, this has been explained to me but I would rather not try to explain it and get it wrong, what part of the country are you in I can find out when they will be there again or for the first time

 

[Just Lurking]

They do have a part-timer plan even a presentation for the part-timers so since this is a concern let all part-timers know so we can schedule them a meeting time

No answers or thoughts on the three questions/statements in the posting?

Full-timers are too smart to fall for the APWA so go for the part-timers.

 

[wildgoose]

Does anyone remember after last contract how we were told we had the best contract ever. Then soon afterwords they started the no 25/30 out and 62 years of age. Insurance at 57 minus your penalties $1000 + per couple per month. Red zone article where they can reduce after your supposebly locked in retired amount. Thats in the works. Central States wants to ok where you can work once you retire and decide where to suspend but New York has no restrictions other than working for UPS. Not everyone wants to do 40 + years here ! The union is treating people like they cannot think for themselves. Thats the way they want it can you not see this ? Package car workers at the company pace are good for about 20 years before the body is breaking down ! The union just took 9-12 delegates to Las Vegas for the convention at $400 a day compensenation per the union and Ups is covering there wages too since its Union Duties ? Ft. Lauderdale,FLa building has over 200 grievences not taken care of but off to Vegas ? Central States refuses to disclose the assets so we know if they if we are ok or going to go in to receivership of the government at $1000 a month. Government does not want to touch this. There is more than likely no reform - they know what the problem is ! I have no clue how many are retired at ups. Down in the south its very few people. And as the teamsters sit back and say everything is good ! Thats why APWA is gaining momentum because of all said discrepancies. The Union & Company is making it harder to retire if at all. Most the package car guys i know are leaving to go work some place else because of this. Signed mismanaged by Hoffa !

 

[nospinzone]

One thing that I can't figure out from their website is what about someone in my situation. If you have twenty plus years vested in Central States, then somehow the IBT got decertified, what happens to all my Pension Credits? The APWA isn't going to have the money to pay me a full pension in a few years, and CS will surely go belly up right away. I see that the IBT is going to be under pressure because of the CS issue, and thats because of the APWA. No way will CS give any of its assets to another Pension Plan.

The way that the Taft-Hartley and ERISA laws are written, companies that have employees in a multi-employer pension plan are required to subsidize all pension benefits should the fund itself become unable to do so. And Central States is required to pay benefits based on your contribution history....regardless of whether Teamsters or APWA is the bargaining agent. Hence, if APWA is certified and you retire, CS is required to pay you the full benefits promised. Should the fund become financially drained for any reason, unless Congress passes a new law allowing post-retirement reduction in benefits, UPS and any other solvent corporation contributing to CS will be required to pick up those benefit liabilities to make good on the pension promises.

When APWA is certified, they will petition the federal government to force CS to transfer all funds contributed by active UPS employees so as to keep your retirement funds together. This would increase your pension check since youre only being promised a portion of what youve earned into the fund anyhow. You can get more detail of this explanation by contacting Eason or Skillman through the website.

 

[ozzey]

I feel like there is a risk if we as a group changed unions. would it hold together? what experiece do they have against big business. could this bring ups the opportunity down the road to go non-union. devidiing the people weakens their voice. imo

 

[roadking]

No answers or thoughts on the three questions/statements in the posting?

Full-timers are too smart to fall for the APWA so go for the part-timers.[/quot more money, better working conditions, less time waiting on a full time job!!!! go to web site request a meeting... did I mention union dues will remain the same for the first six months then be reduced by fifty percent. Plus part time people know if the current course is not changed their raises and pension dollars will be going to support those who retire before them. It is not suppose to work like social security, the young should not have to carry the burden of past generations!!!!