Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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GayOfThrones
Active Member
The hypocracy of some of the anti-immigrant establishment (and some of you) always astonishes me.
I would truly have more respect for someone who came up to me and said "I don't like brown people". But god forbid you call a racist a racist.
Here's the skinny folks. People on these forums nearly **** a brick when Obama passed healthcare reform.
"THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" "DOWN WITH BIG GOVERNMENT yadi yadi yadi".....
Now a law has been passed that gives police the authority to stop you if they have "suspicion" you MAY be in the country illegally. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a total spaz when it comes to leaving my wallet places, and if this happened to me and I couldn't prove who i was, i'd be carted off to jail.
JAIL! For doing nothing more than being brown and absent minded!
I won't begrudge you that immigration reform is something that is sorely needed. Granting authorities MORE power than they already have is NOT the answer. Wake up! Stop willingly handing over your rights for the promises of "security" and "a better tomorrow".
I would truly have more respect for someone who came up to me and said "I don't like brown people". But god forbid you call a racist a racist.
Here's the skinny folks. People on these forums nearly **** a brick when Obama passed healthcare reform.
"THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" "DOWN WITH BIG GOVERNMENT yadi yadi yadi".....
Now a law has been passed that gives police the authority to stop you if they have "suspicion" you MAY be in the country illegally. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a total spaz when it comes to leaving my wallet places, and if this happened to me and I couldn't prove who i was, i'd be carted off to jail.
JAIL! For doing nothing more than being brown and absent minded!
I won't begrudge you that immigration reform is something that is sorely needed. Granting authorities MORE power than they already have is NOT the answer. Wake up! Stop willingly handing over your rights for the promises of "security" and "a better tomorrow".
and don't carry ID, there's no hope for you anyways.
ups1990
Well-Known Member
Niptuck, has a point. Conservatives want candidates who will uphold the constitution. There are some conservative members of congress that feel that children born out of illegals should have their citizenship revoked. Now, if this isn't squarely against the constitution they wish to defend, I don't know what is.
Only if they have reasonable cause to believe you have been involved in a crime. They can't just go "Hmm, I don't like the way that guy looks, lets check his ID".
Babagounj
Strength through joy
And here we have another fine example of someone who has not even read this law.
Stop what ever you are currently doing, and go read exactly what this laws says. It just might surprise you.
I'm talking about the law in Georgia
. The Arizona law, as originally written, was basically a mandate to do exactly that to anyone who looked like they might be from Mexico. Jan Brewer has signed a follow on bill that appears to correct some of the most objectionable language (basically clearing it up), at least in part. I'm still somewhat dubious about it, but at least it's a start. I don't have an issue with most of the bill, tightening border security and cracking down on employers who knowingly break the law are the right ways to address the problem.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
(Aol News) — Foes of Arizona’s stringent new immigration law claim that it’s essentially an open invitation for the authorities to harass the, let’s say, swarthier citizens of the Grand Canyon State.
For those legal Arizonans worried that their skin tone may now result in their being routinely pestered by local law enforcement (as well as those unwilling or unable to spring for a skin-whitening procedure a la Sammy Sosa or the late King of Pop), Zubi, a Hispanic ad agency based out of Miami, has offered a solution: the Gringo Mask.
“Our agency mantra is ‘Erasing Stereotypes,’ so as soon as this law was passed, we knew we had to do something to communicate just how ridiculous we thought it was,” said the firm’s COO, Joe Zubizarreta.
For those legal Arizonans worried that their skin tone may now result in their being routinely pestered by local law enforcement (as well as those unwilling or unable to spring for a skin-whitening procedure a la Sammy Sosa or the late King of Pop), Zubi, a Hispanic ad agency based out of Miami, has offered a solution: the Gringo Mask.
“Our agency mantra is ‘Erasing Stereotypes,’ so as soon as this law was passed, we knew we had to do something to communicate just how ridiculous we thought it was,” said the firm’s COO, Joe Zubizarreta.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
3 bodies found headless near Acapulco; 5 more shot
The Associated Press
Saturday, May 8, 2010; 7:14 PM
ACAPULCO, Mexico -- Three headless bodies showing signs of torture were found just outside Acapulco and the bodies of five other men with multiple gunshot wounds were discovered in a car north of the Pacific resort, police said Saturday.
Police in the southwestern state of Guerrero, where Acapulco is located, said the three beheaded men appeared to be in their 20s and 30s, but their identities and a motive had not been determined. They were found on a peninsula a few miles south of Acapulco.
About 50 miles (80 kilometers) north, near the small town of Tecpan de Galeana, police discovered five bodies in a car left on a dirt road about 100 yards (90 meters) off a main highway.
A police report said all five men had been repeatedly shot. Two bodies were in the front of the vehicle and three in the trunk, the report said.
The U.S. State Department warned this week that parts of Guerrero state could be dangerous for travelers due to drug violence.
At the same time, the travel warning noted that Mexican officials make a concerted effort to protect foreign tourists and that "resort areas ... in Mexico do not see the levels of drug-related violence and crime reported in the border region and in areas along major drug trafficking routes."
More than 22,700 people have been killed in drug-related violence since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against cartels shortly after taking office in December 2006.
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Sedition: UCLA Professor Calls For Mexican Revolt in America…
La Raza is a revolutionary against imperialism and capitalism, where we stand now is stolen and occupied Me-he-co…why is it these frail, racist white people want to keep us out of this country?…La Raza is a revolutionary movement…Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, you name it, we have nine Marxist government in Latin America…Che said the domino effect and each country would go revolutionary, they fear we know we won’t fall for these lies, these borders…we see ourselves as the northern America revolutionary movement…
The Associated Press
Saturday, May 8, 2010; 7:14 PM
ACAPULCO, Mexico -- Three headless bodies showing signs of torture were found just outside Acapulco and the bodies of five other men with multiple gunshot wounds were discovered in a car north of the Pacific resort, police said Saturday.
Police in the southwestern state of Guerrero, where Acapulco is located, said the three beheaded men appeared to be in their 20s and 30s, but their identities and a motive had not been determined. They were found on a peninsula a few miles south of Acapulco.
About 50 miles (80 kilometers) north, near the small town of Tecpan de Galeana, police discovered five bodies in a car left on a dirt road about 100 yards (90 meters) off a main highway.
A police report said all five men had been repeatedly shot. Two bodies were in the front of the vehicle and three in the trunk, the report said.
The U.S. State Department warned this week that parts of Guerrero state could be dangerous for travelers due to drug violence.
At the same time, the travel warning noted that Mexican officials make a concerted effort to protect foreign tourists and that "resort areas ... in Mexico do not see the levels of drug-related violence and crime reported in the border region and in areas along major drug trafficking routes."
More than 22,700 people have been killed in drug-related violence since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against cartels shortly after taking office in December 2006.
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Sedition: UCLA Professor Calls For Mexican Revolt in America…
La Raza is a revolutionary against imperialism and capitalism, where we stand now is stolen and occupied Me-he-co…why is it these frail, racist white people want to keep us out of this country?…La Raza is a revolutionary movement…Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, you name it, we have nine Marxist government in Latin America…Che said the domino effect and each country would go revolutionary, they fear we know we won’t fall for these lies, these borders…we see ourselves as the northern America revolutionary movement…
moreluck
golden ticket member
Lue C Fur
Evil member
Please show me where in the original bill that they could stop anyone that looked like they might be from Mexico:
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Short of actually seeing someone sneak across the border, what constitutes "reasonable suspicion"? How do you just look at someone and go, "Hmm, I bet he/she might be an illegal alien"? It's an open invitation to racial profiling, and that's why Jan Brewer ended up signing the follow on bill to clarify that race could not be used as a basis for reasonable suspicion.
Lue C Fur
Evil member
Thanks for clearing that up because i could not find anywhere in the bill where it said Mexican or skin color but it sure sounds good for the Liberals, Obama, and the MSM to portray the bill that way which is misleading. But i do think it was a good idea for Jan Brewer to add that so now the issue should be put to rest once and for all...but it still continues to be spewed by the left.
I understood that reasonable suspicion would be akin to being pulled over for a brake light and also ticketing you for not wearing your belt.
If they like us that are legal, cannot produce a license (papers) when we get pulled over, it can escalate. So if an illegal is pulled over has no license, and nothing to prove who they are and where they live, why should they not be scrutinized. We would be. Maybe we should have a law that says, screw you law enforcement, I dont have to prove who I am. Yes that would work.
klein
Für Meno :)
I think the problem is, how far will they go ? There are many times, I don't carry ID. Bike riding or just walking to the store.
I left my wallet many times at the timeshare, to go to the beach. (just took a few bucks along).
Now, if that same bicycle rider happens to be in an area where a robbery, stabbing or any other crime just occured, I guess that would give the police the right for suspicion ???
And one thing to remember, too. The good "illegal" mexicans, they don't want the latino crime , either.
Many of them come forward and rat or tip the police off, to capture thier countrymen.
They won't be comming forward now, anymore. Or any other crime that they may have witnessed or have knowledge of.
