Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[UPS Lifer]

They would probably take you to your home where you could show them your papers.......however, if your a dumb and don't carry ID, there's no hope for you anyways.

My 33 year old son is as white as white can be the Rancho Cucamonga Sheriff Dept pulled up to him and asked him his name while he was out for a walk. LIke a dumb , he said "Bob"! Not his real name! The cop said that he matched the description of someone they were looking for. Guess what? He had no ID on him. They "gave him a ride" home to so he could prove his identity. He has never been without his ID again!!!

The law is there for a reason and everybody is responsible.

 

[bbsam]

My 33 year old son is as white as white can be the Rancho Cucamonga Sheriff Dept pulled up to him and asked him his name while he was out for a walk. LIke a dumb , he said "Bob"! Not his real name! The cop said that he matched the description of someone they were looking for. Guess what? He had no ID on him. They "gave him a ride" home to so he could prove his identity. He has never been without his ID again!!!

The law is there for a reason and everybody is responsible.

So we are all for "Big Brother" Gestapo style then, eh?

 

[klein]

No thanks ! I enjoy the northern freedom too much. No need to carry ID with me unless I drive, or fly.
Police can't do nothing. Part of our privacy protection rights and freedom rights.

 

[tonyexpress]

No thanks ! I enjoy the northern freedom too much. No need to carry ID with me unless I drive, or fly.
Police can't do nothing. Part of our privacy protection rights and freedom rights.

And just what did they do to Lifer's son? He matched the description of someone they were looking for in the area...So in Canada if you've just robbed a house, stolen something or shot someone and a person matching the description was walking in the neighborhood...You as a citizen or neighbor would say...ah..nah, just forget about it, don't check him out.....we have rights...

In the USA we have rights too...we also have the right to straighten out our point of view when it gets spun!

 

[Jones]

You are right about the ranting! I am extremely impassioned by this subject and the people who are judging this law that Arizona enacted. These are people who do not live it every day.

By the way can you point and link the post where I called foreigners cockroaches? I am sure you are taking something WAY out of context. ...To me that term is reserved for the lowest of the low. A cockroach to me is someone who is a major criminal - rapist - murderer - kidnapper and especially a child molester. I would bet my pension check that you have taken that word out of the context of the post.

But as you said and I quote you above "You already knew that didn't you?"


I would like to see if you have the guts to link the original quote!

"As far as I am concerned you can call an illegal alien anything you want. I prefer cockroach myself!"
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[klein]

"As far as I am concerned you can call an illegal alien anything you want. I prefer cockroach myself!"
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You

 

[Babagounj]

Because so many are fixed that this law will result in racial profiling, I would like to know what percentage of AZ police forces are non-hispanic ?
Also what percentage of US border guards ?

 

[bbsam]

Because so many are fixed that this law will result in racial profiling, I would like to know what percentage of AZ police forces are non-hispanic ?
Also what percentage of US border guards ?

Why? What possible difference could that make? Do you suggest that because of their heritage hispanic law enforcement officials would not profile or abuse their authority? Or is it that only non-hispanic officers would profile? Either way the question misses the point completely. A percentage is simply a number and does not speak at all to the overly broad search and seizure powers being given to AZ law enforcement regardless of ethnicity.

 

[bbsam]

And just what did they do to Lifer's son? He matched the description of someone they were looking for in the area...So in Canada if you've just robbed a house, stolen something or shot someone and a person matching the description was walking in the neighborhood...You as a citizen or neighbor would say...ah..nah, just forget about it, don't check him out.....we have rights...

In the USA we have rights too...we also have the right to straighten out our point of view when it gets spun!

"Matched the description of someone they were looking for in the area..." Doesn't that sound awfully convenient? Kind of a catch all when law enforcement wants to do what they want to do? Like holding a "person of interest" when there is no way to charge them with a crime. Or wire-tapping a phone without a warrant in the name of "national security". Or laying seige at Waco and Ruby Ridge on trumped up illegal arms charges. Law enforcement CYA. And guess what. 99.5% of the time, you can't prove it.

 

[dilligaf]

What part of this do you not understand....................

Let me see if I got this right...

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY, YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET.......

1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON,
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC
DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE, 12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG
YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH
RESPECT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION...

I am sorry, what is wrong with our country? Mexico will throw you in jail if you enter there illegally. You all just do not realize that the Mexican war is spilling over into Arizona. We here want it stopped before we become like Mexico and a Police State because of the killings, drugs, & smuggling. Plz support SB1070. It is online to read and it is not what they(the radical groups) say such as racial profiling. Others should standup for racial profiling
cause everything is in Spanish, what about Russian, Italian,
Polish or Japanese. They are being profiled against cause the USA does not cater to them.


And let's not forget Canada. What happens if you illegally cross the border into Canada? Come on Klein, you know everything. Answer this.................................
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[diesel96]

By the way can you point and link the post where I called foreigners cockroaches? I am sure you are taking something WAY out of context. ...To me that term is reserved for the lowest of the low. A cockroach to me is someone who is a major criminal - rapist - murderer - kidnapper and especially a child molester. I would bet my pension check that you have taken that word out of the context of the post.

But as you said and I quote you above "You already knew that didn't you?"

I would like to see if you have the guts to link the original quote!

"As far as I am concerned you can call an illegal alien anything you want. I prefer cockroach myself!"
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Hey Lifer... Just raise the white flag b4 you step in more dog ....Just admit it. You'll get more respect sharing your true feelings towards Mexicans.... So how much is that pension check worth ?

 

[klein]

Canada is much too slack, too.
As long as you say the magic word "Refugee" , the government will take care of you for about the next 3 years. (Up to 3 hearings that drag out).
They will supply you with housing, welfare, a temporary working visa, vistors social insurance card, healthcare.
By the time those 3 years have gone by, illegal women had "canadian" babies (born in this country makes them canadian). And the men marry any Canadian woman they can find.
It doesn't always work, and they still might get deported, but a lot of times it does.

But, lets say, if someone just crossed the border, didn't get caught, and tries to live and work here. It's almost impossible.
Without the social insurance card (like you SS card), you basically can't do anything.
Can't get a drivers license, neither open a bank account, or get a job.

I think our employment laws and fines are much stricter then those in the US.
We don't have illegals cutting the lawn, working in hotel services, or picking fruit. They are not part of our workforce, period.
Refugees, yes. But, again , only time related. That vistors working visa, runs out, and they can't get a job after that.

Now, if some was caught just crossing the border, and didn't say the magic word. Probably would be fingerprinted, spend the night in jail, and be driven back to US customs. Probably would face a monetary fine, too (that never gets collected).

About a year ago, we recently had a whole boat load from some asian country hitting shore in Vancouver.
I think they wanted to port in Seattle, but the US coast guard was there. So , they head north to Vancouver.

They got a place to live, food, welfare, etc. A year has gone by, still no outcome what to do with them all.

 

[tonyexpress]

"Matched the description of someone they were looking for in the area..." Doesn't that sound awfully convenient? Kind of a catch all when law enforcement wants to do what they want to do? Like holding a "person of interest" when there is no way to charge them with a crime. Or wire-tapping a phone without a warrant in the name of "national security". Or laying seige at Waco and Ruby Ridge on trumped up illegal arms charges. Law enforcement CYA. And guess what. 99.5% of the time, you can't prove it.

The kid got a ride home to prove who he was...How does that compare to your waterboarding senario?? Have you got something to hide?

Hey you can let the criminals run wild in your neck of the woods...Here, I respect law enforcement and the difficult job and "rules of engagement" they must go through..

 

[UPS Lifer]

Because so many are fixed that this law will result in racial profiling, I would like to know what percentage of AZ police forces are non-hispanic ?
Also what percentage of US border guards ?

Here are some stats from the Bureau of Justice - these stats are from 2000
So far I have not been able to get current stats

AZ - Hispanic = 14% of sworn officers or 147
CA - = 15% or 1002 officers
TX - = 22% or 686
NM - = 40% or 210

Here is how my city handles undocumented aliens - I got this info from an article in the local paper published in Sedona. When the police have contact with an undocumented they tell the person to seek out their national consulate. The poll that was conducted by the same local paper stated that 72% of the respondents were for the new law. The poll is from locals who read the paper.

Our new Sedona Police Chief was just hired in April. He is a Hispanic Police Captain from Corona California. I trust him to do his job and uphold the law.

I guess there are 3 or 4 factions to this law....

1. Hispanics and those sympathetic who believe that racial profiling will take place. Here is the irony - My personal observation from interviews done with most Hispanics (not all) about this law, show a common thread of racism and disdain toward whites. As far as they are concerned this is a law about oppression against all Hispanics at the hands of the white man. You can here it and feel it in their voice, see it in their face and body language and in the words they choose. The air is thick with entitlement. Hispanics also do not trust law enforcement.

2. Citizens who believe in upholding the law and closing the border to illegal traffic. - Unfortunately, here is AZ, 94% of the estimated 500,000 residents (mostly families) are from Mexico. It is not about race. It is about crime - drugs - gangs - safety - jobs - over population and taxpayers paying the way with a budget that cannot sustain paying the way.

3. Those who want to push their political agenda and don't really care or understand the war on the border AND don't live here or live it everyday!

My question is this. Why is it up to America to coddle and take care of Mexicans because of Mexico's inability to take care of their own citizens?

 

[moreluck]

I watch Policewomen of Maricopa county.....on one episode, the lady cop pulls over a driver, with heavy tinted windows and he had run a stop sign or something. The first words out of his mouth were....."You just stopped me because I'm Hispanic."

Well, turns out she's Hispanic too and as dark as his windows were, he could've been green for all she knew. He was an idiot!!

 

[dilligaf]

I watch Policewomen of Maricopa county.....on one episode, the lady cop pulls over a driver, with heavy tinted windows and he had run a stop sign or something. The first words out of his mouth were....."You just stopped me because I'm Hispanic."

Well, turns out she's Hispanic too and as dark as his windows were, he could've been green for all she knew. He was an idiot!!

Most of them are. They use an excuse that they have heard for years. It's a cop out. They will not take responsibility for their own actions, it's always someone elses fault.

 

[dilligaf]

Nice! Arpaio's crew stopped a van north of Phoenix today and detained illegals. Some of those illegals had chicken pox. How much more are we supposed to put up with. Not only do we have to deal with drugs and violence and the hard ships to our health care and welfare systems, we also have to deal with public health hazards.

 

[moreluck]

GO JOE !!!

 

[Babagounj]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13towns.html?hp
It’s about 2,500 miles from this green, rural town in the rolling hills near Vermont to the Mexican border at Nogales, but that hasn’t stopped Jackson from making a bid to be New York’s small version of Arizona in the immigration wars.
Or that’s how it is beginning to feel two months after Jackson — which has 1,700 people, no village, no grocery store or place to buy gasoline, no church, no school, two restaurants and maybe a few Spanish-speaking farm workers — decided it needed a law requiring that all town business be conducted in English.
One nearby town, Argyle, has since passed a similar resolution. A third, Easton, is likely to consider one at its Town Board meeting in June. The law has already put Jackson at odds with the New York Civil Liberties Union, which says it violates state and federal law. But in the great American echo chamber, every mouse gets to roar, so Roger Meyer, who proposed the law, feels he is making progress toward protecting the English language from threats near and far.
“For too long, the federal government has shirked its duty by not passing English as the official language of the United States,” said Mr. Meyer, 76, a Town Council member and retiree who runs Chains Unlimited, a sawmill and chain saw and logging supply company. “So seeing as this law couldn’t be passed from the top down, I felt I’d start a grass-roots movement to try to get it passed from the bottom up.”
The law designates English as the town’s official written and spoken language, “to be used in all official meetings and business conducted by the elected officials and their appointees.”

“We have records going back to 1816, and they’ve never been written in anything but English,” Mr. Meyer said. “This law isn’t changing anything. It’s just making it official that we’re going to do what we’ve been doing for 190 years.”
And Mr. Meyer said the law was in support of English, not in opposition to any group. “It’s not prejudicial or anything like that,” he said.

 

[ups1990]

Two thoughts. For those calling for a boycott on Arizona, the irony is that many migrants will affected by having people staying away from hotels, eateries and the like.
This issue has become so political and divisive, my feeling is that law enforcement officials and counties will be at first gun-shy to actually stopping folks who they suspect are illegals because they'll fear being labeled racist and targeting Latinos.