If you pull someone over with a broken tail light and they don't have a license, that's already an issue and they're already in trouble. Nobody needs a new law for that. Police are already empowered to check ID's and confirm someone's identification if they believe that person has violated some other law or in the course of an investigation. The problem with the Arizona's new law, as originally written was that it ostensibly did away with any prerequisite. Police could potentially just stop people and check their ID's not because they observed them doing anything wrong but just because they "looked suspicious" without defining "looked suspicious" actually meant. That's way too vague and the potential for abuse is pretty obvious.
Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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UPS Lifer
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That man who pretends to be president is a maroon !
Remember when he was elected and some of us wanted to give him a chance... because we want America to be successful? Instead, this jackass continues to divide America. A true leader knows how to get people with varied opinions etc. to work together toward a common goal. This donkey makes fun of a state where nobody thinks this is a joke. I used to have some respect for the donkey. But I am sorry to say this... I have completely lost respect for him. His name churns negative emotion in me. For the good of the country and all political parties we need to get him out of office.
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UPS Lifer
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This coming from a person who has the USA buffering the problem. Thank you for the clear insight into the problem! LOL!
UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
You really don't know what you are talking about. You are part of the Kool-aid crowd who thinks that our law enforcement is out to get Mexicans. I just have one question for you.....
WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND YOUR BUS LOAD OF ILLEGALS? I want to drop them off in your neighborhood so you can coddle them and give them all the free bees they deserve.
After all, us racist Zonies believe in equal opportunity
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Here's another fine example of our federal government not doing their job;
Illegal immigrant's 145G 'deport gift'
By REUVEN BLAU
An illegal immigrant with a long rap sheet got a $145,000 parting gift from New York City taxpayers before he was deported, after a federal judge ruled his civil rights had been violated when he was held too long on Rikers Island.
Federal rules allow local law enforcement to detain suspected illegal immigrants for 48 hours after their criminal cases are resolved, to give Immigration and Customs Enforcement a chance to pick them up and move them to federal facilities.
Former Brooklyn resident Cecil Harvey, 55 -- backed by an immigration-rights advocacy group -- argued that his rights were violated when he spent more than a month in a Rikers holding pen before being transferred to ICE.
Harvey was shipped to his native Barbados in October 2007; the city settled his civil suit late last year.
The landmark settlement has prompted the Correction Department to dump scores of illegal immigrants on the streets, since federal officials often fail to pick them up within the required two-day window.
"We just release them now," one high-ranking jail supervisor said. "It's ICE's problem to go find these guys."
Illegal immigrant's 145G 'deport gift'
By REUVEN BLAU
An illegal immigrant with a long rap sheet got a $145,000 parting gift from New York City taxpayers before he was deported, after a federal judge ruled his civil rights had been violated when he was held too long on Rikers Island.
Federal rules allow local law enforcement to detain suspected illegal immigrants for 48 hours after their criminal cases are resolved, to give Immigration and Customs Enforcement a chance to pick them up and move them to federal facilities.
Former Brooklyn resident Cecil Harvey, 55 -- backed by an immigration-rights advocacy group -- argued that his rights were violated when he spent more than a month in a Rikers holding pen before being transferred to ICE.
Harvey was shipped to his native Barbados in October 2007; the city settled his civil suit late last year.
The landmark settlement has prompted the Correction Department to dump scores of illegal immigrants on the streets, since federal officials often fail to pick them up within the required two-day window.
"We just release them now," one high-ranking jail supervisor said. "It's ICE's problem to go find these guys."
You're just ranting and not making much sense. If you want to respond to my post it might be a good idea to read it first so that your response is actually relevant. You also might want to read the original language in the law and then the clarifications to it made in the follow on bill that Jan Brewer signed so that you understand what I'm talking about because you've completely misconstrued my position.You really don't know what you are talking about. You are part of the Kool-aid crowd who thinks that our law enforcement is out to get Mexicans. I just have one question for you.....
WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND YOUR BUS LOAD OF ILLEGALS? I want to drop them off in your neighborhood so you can coddle them and give them all the free bees they deserve.
After all, us racist Zonies believe in equal opportunity
As far as your racism crack, anyone who refers to foreigners as "cockroaches" has a serious problem. But you already knew that didn't you? At least you're open about it.
Yup, and it's been signed into law so for now that's it. I'm sure there will be a challenge to it anyway and the courts will sort whether or not it passes constitutional muster. It might be OK, it wouldn't surprise if they had to strengthen the language a little bit more and maybe be a little more expansive about what types of situation would constitute reasonable suspicion.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Ideally, yes. I'm under no illusions that even though it's against the law that it doesn't happen anyway and not just in AZ.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
AG Holder Admits AZ Law is NOT Racist
Holder: AZ Immigration Law Not Racist
Jake Tappe
TAPPER: Do you think it’s racist?
HOLDER: I don’t think it’s racist in its motivation. But I think the concern I have is how it will be perceived and how it perhaps could be enacted, how it could be carried out. I think we could potentially get on a slippery slope where people will be picked on because of how they look as opposed to what they have done, and that is I think something that we have to try to avoid at all costs.
TAPPER: You’ve said we’re a nation of cowards because we don’t talk freely and openly about race. So in that spirit, let me give it a shot. Do you think the Arizona immigration law is racist?
HOLDER: Well, I don’t think it’s necessarily a good idea. I mean, I think we have to understand that the immigration problem that we have, illegal immigration problem that we have, is a national one, and a state-by-state solution to it is not the way in which we ought to go.
Holder: AZ Immigration Law Not Racist
Jake Tappe
TAPPER: Do you think it’s racist?
HOLDER: I don’t think it’s racist in its motivation. But I think the concern I have is how it will be perceived and how it perhaps could be enacted, how it could be carried out. I think we could potentially get on a slippery slope where people will be picked on because of how they look as opposed to what they have done, and that is I think something that we have to try to avoid at all costs.
TAPPER: You’ve said we’re a nation of cowards because we don’t talk freely and openly about race. So in that spirit, let me give it a shot. Do you think the Arizona immigration law is racist?
HOLDER: Well, I don’t think it’s necessarily a good idea. I mean, I think we have to understand that the immigration problem that we have, illegal immigration problem that we have, is a national one, and a state-by-state solution to it is not the way in which we ought to go.
Yes it does happen everywhere, it has happened to me. My favorite thing to do, when I married a non drinker was go to a bar, and leave at 230am so the locals could pull us over. They would make my hubby walk the line and all the good stuff. Then tear out after the next car leaving. Is it profiling with good cause, Yes it is,. Im not sure where the line should be drawn. Since I dont drink and drive I dont worry about it.
The Cambidge cops who got told they acted stupidly. Did they, well I guess if you see someone climbing through a window and someone called them on it, I guess they should investigate, because he was black and could not produce an ID, the cops were racist? I dont think so. But its now known as the beer summit? How silly that this is something which will go into history books that in 2009 we are still a racist bunch, because Obama said that cops are dumb. So if Americans are being "harassed" by the lawmen, Welcome to America, if you are an illegal, as you too can be "harassed" by our lawmen. Love it or get out.
Lue C Fur
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Babagounj
Strength through joy
Then PLEASE DO.
So diesel can spend more time complaining about how easy it was for him to "uncover" your work.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoe...iva_los_1070_shirt_rankles_suns_security.html
Provided by Jim Clark
Jim Clark wore this shirt to the Suns game on Wednesday against the San Antonio Spurs. He's pictured at the game.
He wore a pro-immigration law T-shirt to Game 2 of Los Suns against the Spurs on Wednesday night. The executive was hassled over the shirt by Suns security but was later allowed to return to his seats behind the San Antonio bench, and he was allowed to still wear the shirt.
Jim Clark, CEO of Republic Monetary Exchange in Phoenix, got two seats to Game 2 and decided to don an orange shirt that read ‘Viva los 1070’ for the game. Clark said a friend who has a professional security background also wore the shirt. It was in response to the Suns’ opposition to Arizona’s immigration law (Senate Bill 1070).
The Suns wore “Los Suns” jerseys for Game 2 in protest of the immigration bill. Clark supports the immigration bill and does not like the Suns’ public stance against the measure
Clark said he and his friend were approached by security guards early in the game at US Airways Center and asked to take the shirts off or turn them inside out.
“I said, ‘No, I’m not going to do that,’” said Clark. Republic, based in Phoenix, deals in precious metals and offers investments in gold and silver.
Clark said the security guards then removed him and his friends from their seats, but they were later allowed to return after discussing the matter with the Suns’ security director.
They were allowed to keep their pro-1070 shirts on right-side out. Clark said he later received a call from Suns president Rick Welts, who apologized for the incident and is giving Clark four seats to the next 10 Suns games. Clark said Welts still defended the Suns’ stance against the immigration bill.
The Suns did not comment on the episode. Clark said he plans on wearing the pro-1070 again, and he might print up some more shirts to sell
Read more: Phoenix Business Journal: 'Viva los 1070' shirt rankles Suns security
Jim Clark wore this shirt to the Suns game on Wednesday against the San Antonio Spurs. He's pictured at the game.
He wore a pro-immigration law T-shirt to Game 2 of Los Suns against the Spurs on Wednesday night. The executive was hassled over the shirt by Suns security but was later allowed to return to his seats behind the San Antonio bench, and he was allowed to still wear the shirt.
Jim Clark, CEO of Republic Monetary Exchange in Phoenix, got two seats to Game 2 and decided to don an orange shirt that read ‘Viva los 1070’ for the game. Clark said a friend who has a professional security background also wore the shirt. It was in response to the Suns’ opposition to Arizona’s immigration law (Senate Bill 1070).
The Suns wore “Los Suns” jerseys for Game 2 in protest of the immigration bill. Clark supports the immigration bill and does not like the Suns’ public stance against the measure
Clark said he and his friend were approached by security guards early in the game at US Airways Center and asked to take the shirts off or turn them inside out.
“I said, ‘No, I’m not going to do that,’” said Clark. Republic, based in Phoenix, deals in precious metals and offers investments in gold and silver.
Clark said the security guards then removed him and his friends from their seats, but they were later allowed to return after discussing the matter with the Suns’ security director.
They were allowed to keep their pro-1070 shirts on right-side out. Clark said he later received a call from Suns president Rick Welts, who apologized for the incident and is giving Clark four seats to the next 10 Suns games. Clark said Welts still defended the Suns’ stance against the immigration bill.
The Suns did not comment on the episode. Clark said he plans on wearing the pro-1070 again, and he might print up some more shirts to sell
Read more: Phoenix Business Journal: 'Viva los 1070' shirt rankles Suns security
diesel96
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I will complain.... that pic of Gov Brewer with that Aunt Jamina head wrap is a big improvement...
Let's not strayed off from the point. Some of us aren't arguing for illegal immigration. We're arguing the approach Arizona is taking to control illegal immigration. The law will only promote racial profiling and inflict on the rights of Americans who happen to look like the image of an "illegal" you have painted in your head. They really couldn't think of any better laws than this one? They aren't that very smart if this is the best they could come up with.
We will be saying Adios to the messiah in 2012.
Your moving ? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out ? Should Klien start looking for an apt for ya in the Great White north ? Hay...Careful though, bring your papers, I heard Canadians don't take to kindly to illegal Conservatives coming from South of the border...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaHdY_kWu34&NR=1
Well, I meant that if I KNEW how to photo shop. Kinda computer illiterate.
UPS Lifer
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You are right about the ranting! I am extremely impassioned by this subject and the people who are judging this law that Arizona enacted. These are people who do not live it every day.
By the way can you point and link the post where I called foreigners cockroaches? I am sure you are taking something WAY out of context. ...To me that term is reserved for the lowest of the low. A cockroach to me is someone who is a major criminal - rapist - murderer - kidnapper and especially a child molester. I would bet my pension check that you have taken that word out of the context of the post.
But as you said and I quote you above "You already knew that didn't you?"
I would like to see if you have the guts to link the original quote!
