Lue C Fur
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I agree...no one wants to be the first person to be accused of "racial profiling" even though the person they busted was an illegal. Gotta love political correctness...
Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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I agree...no one wants to be the first person to be accused of "racial profiling" even though the person they busted was an illegal. Gotta love political correctness...
Lue C Fur
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trplnkl
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Still haven't read the new law huh?
Nothing like debating a subject with some that has no idea what they are talking about.
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pickup
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Anybody want a T shirt ? :
Better that logo on a t-shirt than what it might become without the law: "Terrorzona".
Fact Sheet: Arizona's SB1070 Immigration Enforcement Law
Read the bill text as signed into law by Ariz. Gov. Jan Brewer
Arizona's Gov. Brewer signed SB1070 into law in April of 2010. Combined with HB2162 (which amends SB1070), the new law will:
Reality vs. Myth: SB1070
Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren't already required to carry.
Reality: It has been a federal crime (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) since 1940 for aliens to fail to carry their registration documents. The Arizona law reaffirms the federal law. Anyone who has traveled abroad knows that other nations have similar requirements.
The majority requests for documentation will take place during the course of other police business such as traffic stops. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country. (See News Hour clip 3:45 seconds in)
Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.
Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows.
Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official "may not consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in "solely" considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.
Myth No. 3: "Reasonable suspicion" is a meaningless term that will permit police misconduct.
Reality: "Reasonable suspicion" has been defined by the courts for decades (the Fourth Amendment itself proscribes "unreasonable searches and seizures"). One of the most recent cases, Estrada v. Rhode Island, provides an example of the courts refining of "reasonable suspicion:"
A 15 passenger van is pulled over for a traffic violation. The driver of the van had identification but the other passengers did not (some had IDs from a gym membership, a non-driver's licence card from the state, and IDs issued from the Guatemalan Consulate). The passengers said they were on their way to work but they had no work permits. Most could not speak English but upon questioning, admitted that they were in the United States illegally. The officer notified ICE and waited three minutes for instructions.
The SB1070 provision in question reads:
"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."
Myth No. 4: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people.
Reality: The law only kicks in when a police officer stopped, detained, or arrested someone (HB2162). The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.
Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien.
The Arizona law is actually more restrictive than federal law. In Muehler v. Mena (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that officers did not need reasonable suspicion to justify asking a suspect about their immigration status, stating that the court has “held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure” under the Fourth Amendment).
numbersusa.com
Oh, and the t-shirt...you may as well put a Mexican flag on it too!
Read the bill text as signed into law by Ariz. Gov. Jan Brewer
Arizona's Gov. Brewer signed SB1070 into law in April of 2010. Combined with HB2162 (which amends SB1070), the new law will:
- Make it illegal in the State of Arizona for an alien to not register with the government, thus being an "illegal alien" (already the case at the federal level: 8 USC 1306a; USC 1304e)
- Allow police to detain people where there is a "reasonable suspicion" that they're illegal aliens (see the recent court case Estrada v. Rhode Island for an idea of what "reasonable suspicion" might entail)
- Prohibits sanctuary cities (already prohibited at the federal level, 8 USC 1373) and allows citizens to sue any such jurisdiction.
Reality vs. Myth: SB1070
Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren't already required to carry.
Reality: It has been a federal crime (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) since 1940 for aliens to fail to carry their registration documents. The Arizona law reaffirms the federal law. Anyone who has traveled abroad knows that other nations have similar requirements.
The majority requests for documentation will take place during the course of other police business such as traffic stops. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country. (See News Hour clip 3:45 seconds in)
Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.
Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows.
Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official "may not consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in "solely" considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.
Myth No. 3: "Reasonable suspicion" is a meaningless term that will permit police misconduct.
Reality: "Reasonable suspicion" has been defined by the courts for decades (the Fourth Amendment itself proscribes "unreasonable searches and seizures"). One of the most recent cases, Estrada v. Rhode Island, provides an example of the courts refining of "reasonable suspicion:"
A 15 passenger van is pulled over for a traffic violation. The driver of the van had identification but the other passengers did not (some had IDs from a gym membership, a non-driver's licence card from the state, and IDs issued from the Guatemalan Consulate). The passengers said they were on their way to work but they had no work permits. Most could not speak English but upon questioning, admitted that they were in the United States illegally. The officer notified ICE and waited three minutes for instructions.
The SB1070 provision in question reads:
"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."
Myth No. 4: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people.
Reality: The law only kicks in when a police officer stopped, detained, or arrested someone (HB2162). The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.
Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien.
The Arizona law is actually more restrictive than federal law. In Muehler v. Mena (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that officers did not need reasonable suspicion to justify asking a suspect about their immigration status, stating that the court has “held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure” under the Fourth Amendment).
numbersusa.com
Oh, and the t-shirt...you may as well put a Mexican flag on it too!
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
When you want to go antique shopping let me know. Glendale is only an hour drive from me, I'll come down and meet you for lunch.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Thank's Lue for posting this video. You have given proof that the sign that Deisel thought was photo shopped actually is not. Look at the 22 second mark.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., who has been critical of Arizona's new immigration law, said Thursday he hasn't yet read the law and is going by what he's read in newspapers or seen on television.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Of course he hasn't read it. Why should he? I mean, my god, everyone knows what's printed in the freaking papers is gospel. What a maroon.
ups1990
Well-Known Member
Let's not give the police a total pass on the racial profiling part. We all hope they truly stop individuals based on cause and not race. Here in so cal, the police stops all suspected gang members. An inner city kid can be walking to the corner store and see someone he grew up with. Maybe they went to elementary and middle school together but one went astray and joined a gang. The boy not involved in gangs, stops to say high to him. The police can stop these two young men and question them both. The youngster stopping to say high to an old friend will many times be classified as a documented gang members or associating with gang members. This label is very difficult to shake and in for some reason gets arrested in the future, the district attorney will levy a harsher sentence due to this unfair documentation. This is one instrument the police uses that I have a problem with. My whole youth was spent living in the inner city and can attest to this profiling. Some of my childhood friends went astray but many others by the mercy of God, did not.
Lue C Fur
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Tony, as far as I am concerned you can put the Canadian flag on it, hand it back to Klein and tell him to shove it.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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From a recent The Tonight Show: Jay Leno
Arizona has recently passed the toughest immigration law in history. The idea behind it is to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona and back to their homeland of Los Angeles. Ironically, after they passed this new law, you know how they celebrated at the statehouse? Shots of tequila.
Arizona has recently passed the toughest immigration law in history. The idea behind it is to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona and back to their homeland of Los Angeles. Ironically, after they passed this new law, you know how they celebrated at the statehouse? Shots of tequila.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Living in fear on the Mexican border: one woman’s story
By Frosty Wooldbridge
Susan Hildebrand lives on a ranch in Texas along the Mexican border. This is her story.
“I am a sixty-four year old wife of 42 years, mother of four, and grandmother of nine,” said Hildebrand. “I live ninety-nine miles from the border of Mexico, on a South Texas ranch that has been in the family for nearly one hundred and thirty years.
“I work to preserve the land we live on; I pay taxes; I go to church; I respect the officials who govern this great country (although I don’t agree with a lot of them); I support our military; and I obey the law.
“Now I am going to enroll in a Concealed Handgun class in order to protect my family and myself from the flood of illegal immigrants who are coming through our property.
“We have been dealing with the loss of animals and the destruction of our fences for several years, and the situation is growing worse by the day. In the past nine months, “coyotes” who deal in human cargo, have driven stolen vehicles through our land, resulting in injuries to both passengers and animals. Our men who work ten hour days, and sometimes longer, are now faced with repairing fences at midnight when most of these drive-throughs happen.
“Our family is just one of many who are finding themselves at the mercy of those who have no regard for this country’s laws. We have friends who have witnessed men armed with assault weapons and carrying large plastic containers moving through their property. One man was confronted with seven men holding guns when he got out to open his ranch gate. He was forced to take them to the nearest road at gun point. A woman who had been out for a walk one morning, returned home to find a man and woman standing in her home. Fortunately for her, she had a trained attack dog that was able to subdue them until she could call for help. Another rancher found several of his horses dead because illegals had closed off the water lot. One of our college interns came upon a man dressed in camouflage and carrying a large duffle bag when he was driving to the river. He immediately turned his truck around and left the area because he had been warned about the danger of confronting these men.
“Now my family and I are faced with having to lock our doors and arm ourselves for protection. This is not the kind of legacy that we want to leave to our children and grandchildren.
“With all due respect, I would encourage our President, our Governor, our mayors, and our law enforcement officers to follow the lead of the courageous people of Arizona. For this nation to continue to be the Land of the Free, its laws must be enforced so that the next generation can feel safe in their own homes.
“I want my grandchildren to remember me as someone who walks freely in God’s country, not one who carries a gun for protection.
“Thank you for allowing me to show you what we are facing in South Texas. It is my prayer that you will support those of us who love this land so much and help us to stay safe.
By Frosty Wooldbridge
Susan Hildebrand lives on a ranch in Texas along the Mexican border. This is her story.
“I am a sixty-four year old wife of 42 years, mother of four, and grandmother of nine,” said Hildebrand. “I live ninety-nine miles from the border of Mexico, on a South Texas ranch that has been in the family for nearly one hundred and thirty years.
“I work to preserve the land we live on; I pay taxes; I go to church; I respect the officials who govern this great country (although I don’t agree with a lot of them); I support our military; and I obey the law.
“Now I am going to enroll in a Concealed Handgun class in order to protect my family and myself from the flood of illegal immigrants who are coming through our property.
“We have been dealing with the loss of animals and the destruction of our fences for several years, and the situation is growing worse by the day. In the past nine months, “coyotes” who deal in human cargo, have driven stolen vehicles through our land, resulting in injuries to both passengers and animals. Our men who work ten hour days, and sometimes longer, are now faced with repairing fences at midnight when most of these drive-throughs happen.
“Our family is just one of many who are finding themselves at the mercy of those who have no regard for this country’s laws. We have friends who have witnessed men armed with assault weapons and carrying large plastic containers moving through their property. One man was confronted with seven men holding guns when he got out to open his ranch gate. He was forced to take them to the nearest road at gun point. A woman who had been out for a walk one morning, returned home to find a man and woman standing in her home. Fortunately for her, she had a trained attack dog that was able to subdue them until she could call for help. Another rancher found several of his horses dead because illegals had closed off the water lot. One of our college interns came upon a man dressed in camouflage and carrying a large duffle bag when he was driving to the river. He immediately turned his truck around and left the area because he had been warned about the danger of confronting these men.
“Now my family and I are faced with having to lock our doors and arm ourselves for protection. This is not the kind of legacy that we want to leave to our children and grandchildren.
“With all due respect, I would encourage our President, our Governor, our mayors, and our law enforcement officers to follow the lead of the courageous people of Arizona. For this nation to continue to be the Land of the Free, its laws must be enforced so that the next generation can feel safe in their own homes.
“I want my grandchildren to remember me as someone who walks freely in God’s country, not one who carries a gun for protection.
“Thank you for allowing me to show you what we are facing in South Texas. It is my prayer that you will support those of us who love this land so much and help us to stay safe.
