Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[trplnkl]

Oh, probably start with someting mundane like state tax codes. Make it seem the most unobtrusive with agents in suits. Of course that could probably turn up a hornet's nest of corruption somewhere along the line and a distant connection to drug trafficking giving the feds a reason to suspend posse comitadas and put troops on the ground. Probably find more corruption in the state government and find a way, under the states constitution of course, to nullify the state government and insist on new fair elections. Oh, and they will let you know who to vote for. And just to add insult to injury, no more federal dollars until they get their act together.

Very interesting scenario , but that's all it is....made up irrelevant crap.
First, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Your fantasy play is just that fantasy, the illegal immigration issue is real.
Second, what you proposed is not based an any existing state law that is not being enforced that the feds might intervene on.
Third, if there was any evidence of election corruption, believe me...the feds would damn sure be involved.

I ask again , what specific sate law, do you think is not being enforced that would warrent fed intervention? It's really a simple question.

 

[trplnkl]

OH No !! Now not even Janet Napolitano has read the law !! Is there no end to the incompetance of this administration.

But she knows it's not a law that she would sign.....LMAO

 

[moreluck]

Makes these people look utterly ridiculous !!

 

[Lue C Fur]

OH No !! Now not even Janet Napolitano has read the law !! Is there no end to the incompetance of this administration.

Say it isnt so...Janet "all veterns are terrorists" Napolitano...doesnt know the law...no way.

 

[KingofBrown]

This isn't stupid propaganda. I'm just sharing a cool picture.

 

[Lue C Fur]

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/op...-boycott-john-mccain-rambo-joe-arpaio#slide=1

 

[trplnkl]

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This isn't stupid propaganda. I'm just sharing a cool picture.

That is a cool picture, not sure why you shared it on this thread but whatever.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

brett, wouldn't the last line of that sign apply not only to illegals but to generational welfare families?

 

[tonyexpress]

So by the same logic, the federal government could move into Arizona, copy the trafic laws and start enforcing them with rpg's and predator drones. Or enforcing Arizona housing codes Waco style. Ok. I think we understand each other now.

Since the Federal government was NOT enforcing a law already on the books the State, which is having several problems with illegal immigration and an unsecured border decided to act.

Perhaps you and your family would like to live under these circumstances!!


[video=youtube;-P1dmnjAEPA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P1dmnjAEPA[/video]

Hey bring in the Feds...Looks like they can use the help!

 

[bbsam]

Very interesting scenario , but that's all it is....made up irrelevant crap.
First, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Your fantasy play is just that fantasy, the illegal immigration issue is real.
Second, what you proposed is not based an any existing state law that is not being enforced that the feds might intervene on.
Third, if there was any evidence of election corruption, believe me...the feds would damn sure be involved.

I ask again , what specific sate law, do you think is not being enforced that would warrent fed intervention? It's really a simple question.

You are right. That was made up crap. All in good fun. What isn't made up and the '60s prove it is that when through profiling it is found that the civil and constitutional rights of American citizens are being infringed upon, the feds will get involved. That's history and it only takes on incident to warrant extreme investigation. Arizona might want to start saving up money for the civil suits that will surely follow as well.

 

[tonyexpress]

You are right. That was made up crap. All in good fun. What isn't made up and the '60s prove it is that when through profiling it is found that the civil and constitutional rights of American citizens are being infringed upon, the feds will get involved. That's history and it only takes on incident to warrant extreme investigation. Arizona might want to start saving up money for the civil suits that will surely follow as well.

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.

Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows.

Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official "may not consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in "solely" considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Read the bill first before you start looking like those in the Obama administration who now enjoy the enviable and incompetent reputation of...." I don't read the bill first because I'm too important and like making an ass out of myself group"

 

[Babagounj]

Arizona dares L.A. to carry out boycott

Stephen Dinan The spat over Arizona’s new immigration expanded Tuesday as a state official dared the city of Los Angeles to follow through on its new boycott by agreeing to give up the 25 percent of electricity that city gets from Arizona sources.
In a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Arizona Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce said a boycott war is bad for both sides, and said he would “be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements” to end the electricity flowing to Los Angeles.
“I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands,” Mr. Pierce said. “If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.”

 

[Babagounj]

AZ Senators ask Obama for Border Troops — AGAIN!
Sens. McCain and Kyl ask Obama to deploy Guard troops to border

By Erika Niedowski
Saying many Arizonans feel they live “in a lawless area of the country and have been abandoned by the federal government,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) have asked President Barack Obama to deploy National Guard troops to the state’s southern border.
Citing the violence of Mexico’s drug cartels, the senators said “it is not just the citizens of Mexico who fear for their safety.”
“The violence has crossed the border and escalated to a point where many Arizonans do not feel safe within their own homes or on their own property,” they wrote in a letter sent Monday to the president. “The violence along the border has greatly escalated since President Bush deployed the National Guard to the border in 2006 and has now taken the lives of innocent Americans.”

 

[Babagounj]

PHOENIX – A Glendale optometrist’s yearlong legal fight over what services he had to provide for a Spanish-speaking customer has translated into new protections for other businesses.
Gov. Jan Brewer has signed legislation affirming that nothing in state law requires businesses to provide “trained and competent” interpreters when a customer comes in speaking a language other than English.
Schrolucke told lawmakers the incident stems from a patient who spoke only Spanish. Although she did bring her 12-year-old child with her to the office, he said allowing the child to interpret for the parent would have gotten him into legal trouble.
He said he faced a potential malpractice lawsuit if the child did not properly translate some of the more technical explanations being provided, so he turned the woman away, telling her through her child to come back with someone at least 18 years old.
Schrolucke said he also gave the woman the option of going to one or two other optometrists who speak Spanish.
Instead, he said, the woman filed a discrimination complaint with the Attorney General’s Office.

 

[Lue C Fur]

PHOENIX – A Glendale optometrist’s yearlong legal fight over what services he had to provide for a Spanish-speaking customer has translated into new protections for other businesses.
Gov. Jan Brewer has signed legislation affirming that nothing in state law requires businesses to provide “trained and competent” interpreters when a customer comes in speaking a language other than English.
Schrolucke told lawmakers the incident stems from a patient who spoke only Spanish. Although she did bring her 12-year-old child with her to the office, he said allowing the child to interpret for the parent would have gotten him into legal trouble.
He said he faced a potential malpractice lawsuit if the child did not properly translate some of the more technical explanations being provided, so he turned the woman away, telling her through her child to come back with someone at least 18 years old.
Schrolucke said he also gave the woman the option of going to one or two other optometrists who speak Spanish.
Instead, he said, the woman filed a discrimination complaint with the Attorney General’s Office.

What a shame that we have to learn Spanish in our own country. Lets not require immigrants to learn our language though...we will print and speak spanish for them...what a freakin joke.

 

[Lue C Fur]

The Phoenix Suns announced after the passage of SB 1070 that their jerseys would now read “Los Suns,” instead of “The Suns” to show solidarity with those opposed SB 1070. Admittedly it’s a stupid little thing but that is what the owners want to do.
One of the 70 per centers who support the bill in Arizona is Jim Clark, CEO of Republic Monetary Exchange. He is also a long time Phoenix Suns fan.
When the Suns announced the political statement by changing their shirts Clark felt that he had to do something. So, exercising his first amendment rights, as a small quick protest he wore a shirt to the game that said, “Viva Los 1070.”
Early in the second quarter Clark was approached by “secret service” looking security complete with ear pieces and they gave him three options. One, take the shirt off, two, turn it inside out, or three leave the game. Clark and his companion chose the last option. When they reached the outside Clark and his companion argued with security and finally won the right to return to the game.
Clark returned victorious. He received an ovation from the people around him and when he was shown on the big screen there was a roar from the crowd. As it died down you could hear a few feeble boos.
What does that tell you?
I have only questions. Please provide me with some answers.
I wonder if any anti immigration shirts in the stadium that night were also ejected?
Would this have happened even twenty years ago?
When did it become wrong to express your American patriotism on American soil?

 

[bbsam]

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.

Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows.

Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official "may not consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in "solely" considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Read the bill first before you start looking like those in the Obama administration who now enjoy the enviable and incompetent reputation of...." I don't read the bill first because I'm too important and like making an ass out of myself group"

Don't be silly. There are groups in and out of the federal government salivating over the opportunity to find racial profiling in the enforcement of this law. Racial profiling will be found, it will be adjudicated, and it will be repealed. This is not a matter of "reading the law" it's a matter if jurisdictional authority that the federal government will not give up.

My post earlier was ridiculous and in it's silliness certain people lost the meaning. It's not the specifics that matter. If I'm $40,000 behind in paying federal income taxes, it's not the State of Illinois that's putting a lien on the house. It's the IRS. Simple. Who has jurisdiction at the border? Federal government. Don't like what they're doing about it? Nobody does but we don't seem to be able to come up with a workable compromise to satisfy everybody. And no matter how much one's passion becomes involved, there are laws, methods, procedure, and jurisdiction issues that arise. Democracy is a messy, cumbersome system but it's the best one going.

 

[diesel96]

Part of the 5 seeing habits is to "Get the big picture"....so while my Mexican hating, anti-spanish, right winger friends here post their little trivial l'il stories, links and pictures, the losers, (when this Bill is successfullyl challenged), are obvious. If parts of the Arizona law are invalidated, Gov Brew-ha-ha and the state legislators who voted in favor of the bill will likely have made not only a legal blunder, but a political one. As it doesn't take a rocket scientist, that the future electoral success of the Republican Party depends in part on its ability to capture a significant percentage of the country's fastest growing population, "Hispanic" . So the delicate dance for Republicans is to satisfy the "no amnesty" wing of their base without offending Hispanics .... a mission that does not seem of great concern to Brewer, who faces a Republican primary in August. She might get across the finish line this summer and again in the fall, but in signing an unconstitutional law that seems to regaurd Hispanics as presumptively criminal, it's unlikely that she did her party any long-term favors.

 

[brett636]

Part of the 5 seeing habits is to "Get the big picture"....so while my Mexican hating, anti-spanish, right winger friends here post their little trivial l'il stories, links and pictures, the losers, (when this Bill is successfullyl challenged), are obvious. If parts of the Arizona law are invalidated, Gov Brew-ha-ha and the state legislators who voted in favor of the bill will likely have made not only a legal blunder, but a political one. As it doesn't take a rocket scientist, that the future electoral success of the Republican Party depends in part on its ability to capture a significant percentage of the country's fastest growing population, "Hispanic" . So the delicate dance for Republicans is to satisfy the "no amnesty" wing of their base without offending Hispanics .... a mission that does not seem of great concern to Brewer, who faces a Republican primary in August. She might get across the finish line this summer and again in the fall, but in signing an unconstitutional law that seems to regaurd Hispanics as presumptively criminal, it's unlikely that she did her party any long-term favors.

The problems with your assumptions is there is nothing unconstitutional about this law. It mirrors a federal law that has been on the books for decades. Also 70% of the American public supports this bill, so future political ramifications are positive, not negative as you would try to suggest.

 

[dilligaf]

Don't be silly. There are groups in and out of the federal government salivating over the opportunity to find racial profiling in the enforcement of this law. Racial profiling will be found, it will be adjudicated, and it will be repealed. This is not a matter of "reading the law" it's a matter if jurisdictional authority that the federal government will not give up.

My post earlier was ridiculous and in it's silliness certain people lost the meaning. It's not the specifics that matter. If I'm $40,000 behind in paying federal income taxes, it's not the State of Illinois that's putting a lien on the house. It's the IRS. Simple. Who has jurisdiction at the border? Federal government. Don't like what they're doing about it? Nobody does but we don't seem to be able to come up with a workable compromise to satisfy everybody. And no matter how much one's passion becomes involved, there are laws, methods, procedure, and jurisdiction issues that arise. Democracy is a messy, cumbersome system but it's the best one going.

Well until the Feds actually start acting like they want jurisdictional authority and start enforcing laws that are already in place, we have the right to protect ourselves, our state and our property.
Az has come up with a workable compromise. It's called the same Federal law enacted at the State level.

We enacted the same law that was already in place. How is it that AZ is racial profiling and the feds aren't?