Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[dilligaf]

Protecting our selves and our properties has long been an issue, since time began. Even in the old west days the border towns protected themselves. Their 'protection' was the fact that everyone had guns. And everyone respected that. Nowadays we can't fight the way they did then. We have to rely on laws and law enforcement to protect us. The feds have no desire at all to enforce their own law. They don't want to look bad in the eyes of the world. But AZ as a state has the right to do what the feds refuse to do. We have a right to protect ourselves. More and more border ranchers and towns are having to arm themselves. It's a matter of life and death down there.

 

[trplnkl]

brett, wouldn't the last line of that sign apply not only to illegals but to generational welfare families?

You are absolutely correct and I don't doubt the guy that put that sign up had that in mind also.

 

[trplnkl]

You are right. That was made up crap. All in good fun. What isn't made up and the '60s prove it is that when through profiling it is found that the civil and constitutional rights of American citizens are being infringed upon, the feds will get involved. That's history and it only takes on incident to warrant extreme investigation. Arizona might want to start saving up money for the civil suits that will surely follow as well.

I don't disagree with this statement, when American citizen's rights are being infringed upon, it is wrong and the feds SHOULD get involved. However, in the lack of enforcement of the illegal immigration laws by the federal governemnt, many American's rights have been denied. It is the responsibility of the feds to protect out boarders, in NOT doing so they take away the expressed RIGHT of American citizens to be safe in their own homes. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
Oh and BTW..illegal immigrants are NOT American citizens.

Don't be silly. There are groups in and out of the federal government salivating over the opportunity to find racial profiling in the enforcement of this law. Racial profiling will be found, it will be adjudicated, and it will be repealed. This is not a matter of "reading the law" it's a matter if jurisdictional authority that the federal government will not give up.

My post earlier was ridiculous and in it's silliness certain people lost the meaning. It's not the specifics that matter. If I'm $40,000 behind in paying federal income taxes, it's not the State of Illinois that's putting a lien on the house. It's the IRS. Simple. Who has jurisdiction at the border? Federal government. Don't like what they're doing about it? Nobody does but we don't seem to be able to come up with a workable compromise to satisfy everybody. And no matter how much one's passion becomes involved, there are laws, methods, procedure, and jurisdiction issues that arise. Democracy is a messy, cumbersome system but it's the best one going.

Will the law be found unconstitutional? I don't think so, you think so.... I promise you that people with much higher understand of the Constitution of the United States have take the AZ law apart, piece by piece, for the purpose of checking the constitutionality and feel it is in line. I suppose we will see. I hope very soon.

Part of the 5 seeing habits is to "Get the big picture"....so while my Mexican hating, anti-spanish, right winger friends here post their little trivial l'il stories, links and wetback pictures,
You are a maroon if you think that some one fits your hate filled diatribe only because they support this law. This law has NOTHING to do with RACE. Either you have a reading disability or are just too stubborn to see that this law is not about race, but nationality. The illegals crossing our boarders are draining our financial resources faster than any benefit adds up, in many ways. I'm not talking about just the taxes spent to feed, educate and house them but in the giant influx of criminals being sought by LEOs, the $$ spent on emegency response teams to attempt to control a gang/drug war in our cities.
I'm sure there are people that hate mexicans, people that are anti-spanish however THIS law is not part of that. IT"S ABOUT PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS AND OUT HOMELAND> PERIOD.
Here is a BLAZING fact for ya, you and ssbam are the biggest racists on this thread.

the losers, (when this Bill is successfullyl challenged), are obvious. If parts of the Arizona law are invalidated, Gov Brew-ha-ha and the state legislators who voted in favor of the bill will likely have made not only a legal blunder, but a political one. As it doesn't take a rocket scientist, that the future electoral success of the Republican Party depends in part on its ability to capture a significant percentage of the country's fastest growing population, "Hispanic" . So the delicate dance for Republicans is to satisfy the "no amnesty" wing of their base without offending Hispanics .... a mission that does not seem of great concern to Brewer, who faces a Republican primary in August. She might get across the finish line this summer and again in the fall, but in signing an unconstitutional law that seems to regaurd Hispanics as presumptively criminal, it's unlikely that she did her party any long-term favors.
I am anti-amnesty (at least at this time) simpley because past history has proven that amnesty without closing the boarders does absolutely not good. The more amnesty we give, the more we will have to give, time and time again.

This law does not assume all hispanics are illegal. The law very carefully lines out the path taken. Why should any state not be able to ID criminals? AND YES, illegal immigrants are by definition criminals. Here is another news flash for ya, all illegal immigrants are NOT hispanic nor mexican and there is nothing in the law suggesting so.

 

[tonyexpress]

Don't be silly. There are groups in and out of the federal government salivating over the opportunity to find racial profiling in the enforcement of this law. Racial profiling will be found, it will be adjudicated, and it will be repealed. This is not a matter of "reading the law" it's a matter if jurisdictional authority that the federal government will not give up.

I don't consider the safety of American citizens to be a silly issue. If the fed was enforcing this law (a harsher version I might add) would we even be debating? They are not! If a family member of yours was kidnapped would you feel different about the enforcement of this bill?

Racial profiling is specifically addressed in the bill and law enforcement is required to contact your buddies over at the fed to comply..

The State is acting in the best interest of its citizens and the public overwhelmingly supports them..Taking a stand is necessary IMHO!

Oh, and by the way...I don't hate Mexicans or any other race for that matter. Some other posters here like to make this about something other than the complex issue of illegal immigration and drag hate in to the debate, it only weakens their argument in my opinion!

 

[Lue C Fur]

Part of the 5 seeing habits is to "Get the big picture"....so while my Mexican hating, anti-spanish, right winger friends here post their little trivial l'il stories, links and wetback pictures, the losers, (when this Bill is successfullyl challenged), are obvious. (hey Deez...i see your spewing the Democract Liberal mantra...if you dont agree just pull out the race card...you are so predicable) If parts of the Arizona law are invalidated, Gov Brew-ha-ha and the state legislators who voted in favor of the bill will likely have made not only a legal blunder, but a political one. As it doesn't take a rocket scientist, that the future electoral success of the Republican Party depends in part on its ability to capture a significant percentage of the country's fastest growing population, "Hispanic" . (Like i said many times...Liberals only care about staying in power so they need to give handouts and pander to minorities to get the votes no mater how bad it is for America.) So the delicate dance for Republicans is to satisfy the "no amnesty" wing of their base without offending Hispanics .... a mission that does not seem of great concern to Brewer, who faces a Republican primary in August. She might get across the finish line this summer and again in the fall, but in signing an unconstitutional law that seems to regaurd Hispanics (really so it says "Hispanics" in the law or is in Illegals??? Oh i forgot...you love to throw the race card) as presumptively criminal, it's unlikely that she did her party any long-term favors. (Gov Brewer actually cares about protecting American citizens and as you say will loose we she comes up for re-election...pin a medal on her for standing up and doing the right thing instead of what will get her re-elected. Hey...maybe if the rest of Washington had the integrity of Brewer then America would not be in the mess it is in now. I thank you for pointing out what is important to you...keeping bums in office who only care about themselves and not the hardworking tax paying citizens...Bravo!!!)

 

[moreluck]

MEXICO IS ANGRY !


Three cheers for Arizona

The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from the State of Sonora, Mexico don't like it. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny. The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico . Nine state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico .
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> > A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona 's new Employer Sanctions Law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state.



> > At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor, - made up of mostly small towns, - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their hometowns from the USA without jobs or money.
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> > Too bad that other states within the USA don't pass a law just like that passed by Arizona .
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> > New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message...
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> > 1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
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> > 4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
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> > 5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
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> > 6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
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> > 10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
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[Lue C Fur]

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> > 5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
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> > 6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
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> > 7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
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> > 8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
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> > 9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
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> > 10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
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I wonder why the Liberals and Obama dont bash Mexico....hmmmmm.

 

[Blizzard]

Part of the 5 seeing habits is to "Get the big picture"....so while my Mexican hating, anti-spanish, right winger friends here post their little trivial l'il stories, links and******** pictures, the losers, (when this Bill is successfullyl challenged), are obvious. .

I didnt realize this board allowed the free use of racial slurs?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I didnt realize this board allowed the free use of racial slurs?

It doesn't--you can report any such posts using the ! icon.

 

[moreluck]

'Wetback' is in my old dictionary. It says a Mexican who enters the U.S. illegally by swimming or wading across the Rio Grande. I don't think it's a racial slur ! At least not any worse than Redneck.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

'Wetback' is in my old dictionary. It says a Mexican who enters the U.S. illegally by swimming or wading across the Rio Grande. I don't think it's a racial slur ! At least not any worse than Redneck.

Tell you what---tomorrow drive down to San Diego and call the first Mexican you see a Wetback and see what kind of reaction you get.

 

[moreluck]

I've been called a redneck and my gun stayed in the lockbox. I put 'wetback' in the same category as hillbilly & redneck.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I've been called a redneck and my gun stayed in the lockbox. I put 'wetback' in the same category as hillbilly & redneck.

Wetback is a lot more offensive that redneck or hillbilly.

100,000 wetbacks would be an immigration crisis.

100,000 rednecks is a NASCAR race.

 

[trplnkl]

Wetback is a lot more offensive that redneck or hillbilly.

100,000 wetbacks would be an immigration crisis.

100,000 rednecks is a NASCAR race.

With the difference being the right to be here.

 

[trplnkl]

Since Deisel doesn't like the pictures and such.....

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

With the difference being the right to be here.

You're right--I was just having fun with Betty Crocker.

 

[tieguy]

I didnt realize this board allowed the free use of racial slurs?

Liberals tend to be your biggests bigots.

 

[fxdwg]

With the difference being the right to be here.

Right in what sense? Don't people have a right to pursue a better life?

They have "Rights", they also have a responsibility to do it the correct way and the US has a respoinsibility to work them into the system and WE have the right to pay for it all!

I'd rather pay for this than some other crap.

Control!! Not Fences and drunk fat Militia guys.........

 

[bbsam]

I don't consider the safety of American citizens to be a silly issue. If the fed was enforcing this law (a harsher version I might add) would we even be debating? They are not! If a family member of yours was kidnapped would you feel different about the enforcement of this bill?

Racial profiling is specifically addressed in the bill and law enforcement is required to contact your buddies over at the fed to comply..

The State is acting in the best interest of its citizens and the public overwhelmingly supports them..Taking a stand is necessary IMHO!

Oh, and by the way...I don't hate Mexicans or any other race for that matter. Some other posters here like to make this about something other than the complex issue of illegal immigration and drag hate in to the debate, it only weakens their argument in my opinion!

Do you remember how this all began. Back in post #442 I was making fun of Phil Jackson's "they just copied the federal law" logic. I understand that. I get it. Really I do. I understan Dilli when she says it's a matter of life and death. And yes the federal government should enforce the law. And therein lies the problem. The federal government for 30 years has ignored the problem for political and financial reasons. It had the law but no will to enforce it and therefore no need to carefully craft it. Arizona on the other hand has all the desire in the world, but not the legal jurisdiction. So when Arizona enforces the adopted federal standards, infringement upon US citizens rights are going to happen because it was a law that by legal necessity wasn't going to be enforced with any real voracity. Arizona supplies that voracity with nothing less than vigilante enthusiasm. It is understandable, but that does not mean it is legal or acceptable. It means the administration and congress MUST revamp it's policies to an enforceable and serious set of standards with security being at the top of the list of requirements. That can mean all kinds of actions. Repealing posse comitadas is one very real scenario. Personally I'd like to see the US and Mexico work together. Maybe since the US doesn't want oil refineries in the US we could help Mexico build them and boost their economy and our own. Little things, but they all tie together in the end.

 

[rod]

'Wetback' is in my old dictionary. It says a Mexican who enters the U.S. illegally by swimming or wading across the Rio Grande. I don't think it's a racial slur ! At least not any worse than Redneck.

My Websters New World Dictionary says ------Wetback n. [colloq] a mexican agricultural laborer who illegally enters the the U.S. to work. No racial slur as far as I am concerned-------might be politically incorrect but that card has been played to death.