Babagounj
Strength through joy
Can someone give Dili a rep point for this post...i cant give anymore right now....it says i need to spread more around first. Great post!!!! LMAO!!!!
I took care of that for you.
Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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I took care of that for you.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
2002 Bush-Era Memo Complicates Obama Challenge of AZ Law
Memo from 2002 could complicate challenge of Arizona immigration law
By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
In the legal battle over Arizona’s new immigration law, an ironic subtext has emerged: whether a Bush-era legal opinion complicates a potential Obama administration lawsuit against Arizona.
The document, written in 2002 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, concluded that state police officers have “inherent power” to arrest undocumented immigrants for violating federal law. It was issued by Jay S. Bybee, who also helped write controversial memos from the same era that sanctioned harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.
The author of the Arizona law — which has drawn strong opposition from top Obama administration officials — has cited the authority granted in the 2002 memo as a basis for the legislation. The Obama administration has not withdrawn the memo, and some backers of the Arizona law said Monday that because it remains in place, a Justice Department lawsuit against Arizona would be awkward at best.
Memo from 2002 could complicate challenge of Arizona immigration law
By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
In the legal battle over Arizona’s new immigration law, an ironic subtext has emerged: whether a Bush-era legal opinion complicates a potential Obama administration lawsuit against Arizona.
The document, written in 2002 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, concluded that state police officers have “inherent power” to arrest undocumented immigrants for violating federal law. It was issued by Jay S. Bybee, who also helped write controversial memos from the same era that sanctioned harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.
The author of the Arizona law — which has drawn strong opposition from top Obama administration officials — has cited the authority granted in the 2002 memo as a basis for the legislation. The Obama administration has not withdrawn the memo, and some backers of the Arizona law said Monday that because it remains in place, a Justice Department lawsuit against Arizona would be awkward at best.
TechGrrl
Space Cadet
How are they getting all that free booty? Especially the free housing and healthcare.... We repealed most welfare laws in 1996. If illegal aliens are taking American jobs, then, yes, they are being employed by employers who are willfully choosing to ignore their lack of legal status to work in this country. Many people are angry that illegal aliens are taking jobs that Americans should be doing, and that is why the unemployment figures are so high. So obviously, those employers are giving jobs to illegals instead of legal residents and citizens.
Either illegal aliens are taking Americans' jobs, or they are sitting around collecting free goodies from the tooth fairy. You can't have it both ways. Please pick one.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
klein
Für Meno :)
Maybe you shouldn't just reley on Fox news to give you the full insight debt, and stfu until you get the facts straight ? :
UPDATE: It appears Pierce's plan isn't tenable. Alan Bunnell, a spokesman for APS, the energy company that owns the nuclear power plant, tells Yahoo! News that California owns a stake in most of the Arizona-based plants that provide them with energy, including the nuclear facility in question "They actually are owners in them, it's not like they have contracts with them," Bunnell said.
Hope you got plenty of rep points for your misinformation.
From the the right dumb wingers, that are used to following the blind.
trplnkl
555
No one was saying that all illegals were taking jobs, clearly not happening. No one said all illegals are on welfare, also clear that isn;t happeneing as well. So yes, it can be both ways. Some illegals here are working, using false IDs, DLs and SS cards. They do pay taxes on their wages, but under the name of someone else. False documents can be obtained regardless of the safe guards that try to stop them.
Most cities of any size have businesses that employee illegals with fake papers on a day work basis where the pay is so insignificant that not taxes would be taken out and it is on a contract basis where the worker is responsible for paying the taxes (like that's gonna happen).
Many states do have laws that fine and/or shut down businesses for hiring illegals (AZ has such a law) but that alone will not solve the problem.
Part of the purpose of the Az immigration law is to find and deport any illegal found, especially the ones that are in the country for illicit activities. i.e. smuggling of various illegal items, assassinating rival drug dealers(or anyone that gets in their way). These people don't work here they don't pay taxes nor do they drain the welfare system. They do bring large amounts of illegal drugs, kill innocent American citizens for just trying to keep what they have worked their lives to build.
Trying to put all this into one nutshell is short sighted at best.
diesel96
Well-Known Member
Arizona Republic: Violence in border towns has not increased
Republic: Crime rates in Arizona border towns "have remained essentially flat for the past decade." In a May 2 article, The Arizona Republic reported, "FBI Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down."
Republic: Pima County sheriff: "This is a media-created event." The May 2 article also reported:
Republic: FBI statistics show U.S. border towns have rates of violence comparable to non-border towns. The article also reported that David Aguilar, acting deputy commissioner for Customs and Border Protection, "said that Juarez, Mexico, is widely regarded as the 'deadliest city in the world' because of an estimated 5,000 murders in recent years. Yet right across the border, El Paso, Texas, is listed among the safest towns in America." The article continued:
Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."
Crime rates have dropped during past decade in other border states. The BJS data further show that violent crime rates and property crime rates in California, New Mexico, and Texas dropped from 1998 through 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available:
Republic: Crime rates in Arizona border towns "have remained essentially flat for the past decade." In a May 2 article, The Arizona Republic reported, "FBI Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down."
Republic: Pima County sheriff: "This is a media-created event." The May 2 article also reported:
Since the murder of Cochise County rancher Robert Krentz by a suspected illegal immigrant in March, politicians and the national press have fanned a perception that the border is inundated with bloodshed and that it's escalating.
[...]
Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff of Pima County, said there always has been crime associated with smuggling in southern Arizona, but today's rhetoric does not seem to jibe with reality.
"This is a media-created event," Dupnik said. "I hear politicians on TV saying the border has gotten worse. Well, the fact of the matter is that the border has never been more secure."
Even Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever, among the most strident critics of federal enforcement, concedes that notions of cartel mayhem are exaggerated. "We're not seeing the multiple killings, beheadings and shootouts that are going on on the other side," he said.
Republic: Border Patrol says "Krentz is the only American murdered by a suspected illegal immigrant in at least a decade within the agency's Tucson sector." The article also reported: "In fact, according to the Border Patrol, Krentz is the only American murdered by a suspected illegal immigrant in at least a decade within the agency's Tucson sector, the busiest smuggling route among the Border Patrol's nine coverage regions along the U.S.-Mexican border."[...]
Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff of Pima County, said there always has been crime associated with smuggling in southern Arizona, but today's rhetoric does not seem to jibe with reality.
"This is a media-created event," Dupnik said. "I hear politicians on TV saying the border has gotten worse. Well, the fact of the matter is that the border has never been more secure."
Even Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever, among the most strident critics of federal enforcement, concedes that notions of cartel mayhem are exaggerated. "We're not seeing the multiple killings, beheadings and shootouts that are going on on the other side," he said.
Republic: FBI statistics show U.S. border towns have rates of violence comparable to non-border towns. The article also reported that David Aguilar, acting deputy commissioner for Customs and Border Protection, "said that Juarez, Mexico, is widely regarded as the 'deadliest city in the world' because of an estimated 5,000 murders in recent years. Yet right across the border, El Paso, Texas, is listed among the safest towns in America." The article continued:
A review of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports suggests that Arizona's border towns share El Paso's good fortune. Douglas and Nogales are about the same size as Florence but have significantly lower violent-crime rates. Likewise, Yuma has a population greater than Avondale's but a lower rate of violent offenses.
According to Justice Department statistics, crime rates in border states have dropped during past decade
Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."
Crime rates have dropped during past decade in other border states. The BJS data further show that violent crime rates and property crime rates in California, New Mexico, and Texas dropped from 1998 through 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available:
- In California, the violent crime rate dropped from 703.7 in 1998 to 503.8 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 3,639.1 to 2,940.3 during the same period.
- In New Mexico, the violent crime rate dropped from 961.4 in 1998 to 649.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,757.7 to 3,909.2 over the same period.
- In Texas, the violent crime rate dropped from 564.6 in 1998 to 507.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 4,547 to 3,985.6 over the same period.
diesel96
Well-Known Member
Studies find immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than native U.S. citizens
Public Policy Institute of California: "U.S.-born men have an institutionalization rate that is 10 times higher than that of foreign-born men." As Media Matters Action Network noted, the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) found in a February 2008 study "Crime, Corrections, and California":
Public Policy Institute of California: "U.S.-born men have an institutionalization rate that is 10 times higher than that of foreign-born men." As Media Matters Action Network noted, the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) found in a February 2008 study "Crime, Corrections, and California":
The difference only grows when we expand our investigation. When we consider all institutionalization (not only prisons but also jails, halfway houses, and the like) and focus on the population that is most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity (men ages 18-40), we find that, in California, U.S.-born men have an institutionalization rate that is 10 times higher than that of foreign-born men (4.2% vs. 0.42%). And when we compare foreign-born men to U.S.-born men with similar age and education levels, these differences become even greater. [PPIC, "Crime, Corrections, and California," February 2008]
PPIC: "mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons." In its February 2008 study, PPIC found that "the foreign-born, who make up about 35 percent of the adult population in California, constitute only about 17 percent of the adult prison." According to PPIC:
mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.- born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men. [PPIC, "Crime, Corrections, and California," February 2008]
Immigration Policy Center: "ncarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants." According to a 2007 Immigration Policy Center (IPC) report, "data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated":
In fact, data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population. What is more, these patterns have been observed consistently over the last three decennial censuses, a period that spans the current era of mass immigration, and recall similar national-level findings reported by three major government commissions during the first three decades of the 20th century. The problem of crime in the United States is not "caused" or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status.
[...]
Among men age 18-39 (who comprise the vast majority of the prison population), the 3.5 percent incarceration rate of the native-born in 2000 was 5 times higher than the 0.7 percent incarceration rate of the foreign-born. [IPC, "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation," Spring 2007]
[...]
Among men age 18-39 (who comprise the vast majority of the prison population), the 3.5 percent incarceration rate of the native-born in 2000 was 5 times higher than the 0.7 percent incarceration rate of the foreign-born. [IPC, "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation," Spring 2007]
klein
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First off you would not come here since you have social welfare in your country...plus we shoot drunk Canadians on sight.
So did you hear about the census worker who was on the sex offender list and got the census job? Do you want to know how he got the job? Well he had a fake social security card and he passed the background check. If you search the news you will find it. Point im getting at is you need to do a search Klein and see how easy it is to get all the entitlments if your an illegal here in America...its well documented to death and with all the bleeding heart liberals who love to give them the feebies...well you get the idea.
So, all I need is a fake SS number and then I get a free house and a medicare card.
Good to know. Thanks. (or NOT) !!
diesel96
Well-Known Member
Even "low-immigration" think tank acknowledges data don't support claim that undocumented immigrants have high crime rates
CIS acknowledges claims of high immigrant criminality rates are not "well supported." From a November 2009 report by the Center for Immigration studies, a nonprofit organization with a "low-immigration vision":
CIS acknowledges claims of high immigrant criminality rates are not "well supported." From a November 2009 report by the Center for Immigration studies, a nonprofit organization with a "low-immigration vision":
Some opinion surveys show that the public thinks immigrants overall or illegal aliens in particular have high rates of crime. On the other hand, a number of academic researchers and journalists have argued that immigrants have low rates of crime. In our view, poor data quality and conflicting evidence mean that neither of these views is well supported. Given the limitations of the data available, it is simply not possible to draw a clear conclusion about immigrants and crime. [CIS, "Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue," November 2009]
CIS: "No clear evidence that immigrants commit crimes at higher or lower rates than others." The November 2009 CIS report stated:
In conclusion, we find that it would be a mistake to assume that immigrants as a group are more prone to crime than other groups, or that they should be viewed with more suspicion than others. Even though immigrant incarceration rates are high in some populations, there is no clear evidence that immigrants commit crimes at higher or lower rates than others. Nevertheless, it also would be a mistake to conclude that immigrant crime is insignificant or that offenders' immigration status is irrelevant in local policing. The newer information available as a result of better screening of the incarcerated population suggests that, in many parts of the country, immigrants are responsible for a significant share of crime. This indicates that there are legitimate public safety reasons for local law enforcement agencies to determine the immigration status of offenders and to work with federal immigration authorities. [CIS, "Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue," November 2009]
diesel96
Well-Known Member
Cato: "t is a smear to blame" immigrants for Arizona crime
Cato's Griswold: "t is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." In an April 27 post, Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, wrote that "Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime" and that "drug-related violence along the border is a real problem." But, Griswold continued, "it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." From Griswold's post:
Cato's Griswold: "t is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." In an April 27 post, Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, wrote that "Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime" and that "drug-related violence along the border is a real problem." But, Griswold continued, "it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." From Griswold's post:
Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime. The murder of an Arizona rancher in March, allegedly by somebody in the country without documentation, galvanized support for the bill.
The death of the rancher was a tragedy, and drug-related violence along the border is a real problem, but it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona.
The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent.
The death of the rancher was a tragedy, and drug-related violence along the border is a real problem, but it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona.
The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent.
trplnkl
555
I read that the other day. Just because they invested in the building of the power plant doesn't mean they have any controlling interest. People that own stock in UPS don't get to run UPS.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Rape suspect deported 4 times
by Associated Press
KTVB.COM
Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM
EDMONDS, Wash. – The man accused of raping a woman behind an Edmonds grocery store has been deported at least four times in the past 15 years, reports KIRO Radio.
An officer responding to a woman's cry for help Sunday night found 46-year-old Jose Madrigal on top of the woman and arrested him.
by Associated Press
KTVB.COM
Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM
EDMONDS, Wash. – The man accused of raping a woman behind an Edmonds grocery store has been deported at least four times in the past 15 years, reports KIRO Radio.
An officer responding to a woman's cry for help Sunday night found 46-year-old Jose Madrigal on top of the woman and arrested him.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/i...g-more-crime-than/ANLJMetmakmC5RyHtSXHtg.cspx
Undocumented immigrants causing more crime than citizens?
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PHOENIX -- While national data is inconclusive, research in Arizona shows a correlation between illegal immigration and crime.
The most recent report by the Maricopa County Attorney's Office found 22 percent of convicted felons were here illegally and that 18 percent of property crimes in the county were committed by undocumented immigrants.
Figures from the Arizona Department of Corrections show 15 percent of its inmates are "criminal aliens."
Meanwhile, federal estimates show only nine percent of Maricopa County's population and eight percent of the statewide population are here illegally.
"That would imply pretty strongly that illegal immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crime," said Steven Camerota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C., a group that claims to be non-partisan.
Undocumented immigrants causing more crime than citizens?
Related Links
- Center for Immigration Studies report: Immigration and Crime
- Maricopa County Attorney's Office report: Illegal Immigration
PHOENIX -- While national data is inconclusive, research in Arizona shows a correlation between illegal immigration and crime.
The most recent report by the Maricopa County Attorney's Office found 22 percent of convicted felons were here illegally and that 18 percent of property crimes in the county were committed by undocumented immigrants.
Figures from the Arizona Department of Corrections show 15 percent of its inmates are "criminal aliens."
Meanwhile, federal estimates show only nine percent of Maricopa County's population and eight percent of the statewide population are here illegally.
"That would imply pretty strongly that illegal immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crime," said Steven Camerota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C., a group that claims to be non-partisan.
klein
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Well, ownership or part ownership is different from just being a shareholder.
If the Energy Company itself says, Califonia are owners and it's not possible to cut them off. And no energy contracts exist, (you don't make energy contracts with your own company), then that should tell you enough.
Lets say you bought 1/3 of a hotel, you own 1/3 of all the rooms.
They can't deny you access to your own rooms.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
http://www.srpnet.com/about/stations/Default.aspx
Of the 12 generating stations, in which SRP is associated with, in and around AZ, S.C. Edison wholly owns controlling interest in only one. Thats's the Mojave station in NV. In the Four Corners plant SCE owns controlling interest in only 2 units (and that's only if the other parties don't combine their strengths) while APS wholly owns 3 units.
Klien, you wanna talk about Palo Verde (Our nuclear power plant), bring it on baby. Here's a little data for you.
Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Station
Operator: Arizona Public Service Co. (APS)
SRP share: 17.49% of total plant
Location: 40 miles west of downtown Phoenix
Description: Three nuclear generating units
Capacity: 3,739 MW from three units. SRP receives 654 MW for its share of Palo Verde.
Plant construction:Construction began in 1976. Unit 1 and Unit 2 were completed in 1986; Unit 3 was completed in 1988.
Ownership summary:
APS29.1%SRP17.5%El Paso Electric Co.15.8%Southern California Edison15.8%Public Service Co. of New Mexico10.2%Southern California Public Power Authority5.9%Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power5.7%
CA is no where near to owning controlling interests in Palo Verde. And your news article that you linked still did not have any proof that CA owned any power plants. As far as Bunnells comment, I wouldn't trust Yahoo news either. It's obvious that CA has interests in a VERY limited number of power plants, not most of them.
Of the 12 generating stations, in which SRP is associated with, in and around AZ, S.C. Edison wholly owns controlling interest in only one. Thats's the Mojave station in NV. In the Four Corners plant SCE owns controlling interest in only 2 units (and that's only if the other parties don't combine their strengths) while APS wholly owns 3 units.
Klien, you wanna talk about Palo Verde (Our nuclear power plant), bring it on baby. Here's a little data for you.
Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Station
Operator: Arizona Public Service Co. (APS)
SRP share: 17.49% of total plant
Location: 40 miles west of downtown Phoenix
Capacity: 3,739 MW from three units. SRP receives 654 MW for its share of Palo Verde.
Plant construction:Construction began in 1976. Unit 1 and Unit 2 were completed in 1986; Unit 3 was completed in 1988.
Ownership summary:
APS29.1%SRP17.5%El Paso Electric Co.15.8%Southern California Edison15.8%Public Service Co. of New Mexico10.2%Southern California Public Power Authority5.9%Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power5.7%
CA is no where near to owning controlling interests in Palo Verde. And your news article that you linked still did not have any proof that CA owned any power plants. As far as Bunnells comment, I wouldn't trust Yahoo news either. It's obvious that CA has interests in a VERY limited number of power plants, not most of them.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
And CA can still have contracts with APS or SRP or any of the other companies involved to provide more electricity over and above what CA gets from their share. So yes, contracts can be renegotiated or cancelled if deemed necessary. CA can rely on their controlling percentages alone, if it is enough. Can we say brown-outs.
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