Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[Babagounj]

SF request to opt out of secure communities denied

David Louie
SACRAMENTO, CA (KGO) — The president announced plans to dispatch as many as 1,200 National Guard troops, to the U.S.-Mexico border. They will help with intelligence and surveillance, against drug runners and illegal immigrants.
But there is growing discontent with a new security policy going into effect at local jails.
Community leaders urged San Mateo County on Tuesday morning to join San Francisco in not allowing fingerprints of arrested suspects to be turned over to the federal immigration agency known as ICE.

 

[Babagounj]

Illegal-Alien Immunity
Mark Krikorian
Everyone’s familiar with the concept of diplomatic immunity, wherein representatives of foreign countries are exempt from the nation’s laws.
Now we have the developing concept of what you might call “illegal-alien immunity,” which exempts unauthorized immigrants from a wide variety of laws. My colleague Ron Mortensen writes about it in the context of an illegal alien in Georgia arrested for, among other things, driving without a license. Boston troublemaker Michael Graham writes with relish today about an illegal alien who crashed into a pro-illegal-immigration state legislator, was arrested for drunk driving etc., and simply laughed at the police, saying he would just go “back to my home country, Mexico” — a likely prospect, since Massachusetts judges can’t take legal status into account when making bail decisions.
We’ve seen this same illegal-alien immunity in many other areas. Identity fraud, for instance: Illegal aliens who file with the IRS for refunds suffer no penalty for submitting W-2s with fake information, as an American would, so long as they include the authentic illegal-alien taxpayer ID number given them by the IRS. In California, some cities have stopped impounding the cars of unlicensed drivers because “too many” of the offenders were illegal aliens. In many communities, occupancy rules limiting the number of unrelated adults sharing the same dwelling are not enforced against illegal aliens.
In effect, the concept of illegal-alien immunity builds on sanctuary cities, which shield illegals from federal immigration law, to assert a similar exemption from other federal, state, and local laws. Would that advocates for illegal immigration were honest enough to formally claim the legal concept of illegal-alien immunity, so we could openly debate it, as we debated Clinton’s shameless assertion of “protective privilege” to prevent Secret Service agents from testifying about his escapades. Instead, they continue to advance illegal-alien immunity surreptitiously, hoping to create a fait accompli to which they can apply a label later.

 

[Lue C Fur]

SF request to opt out of secure communities denied

David Louie
SACRAMENTO, CA (KGO) — The president announced plans to dispatch as many as 1,200 National Guard troops, to the U.S.-Mexico border. They will help with intelligence and surveillance, against drug runners and illegal immigrants.
But there is growing discontent with a new security policy going into effect at local jails.
Community leaders urged San Mateo County on Tuesday morning to join San Francisco in not allowing fingerprints of arrested suspects to be turned over to the federal immigration agency known as ICE.

They dont mind the rapists, child molesters, murderers, etc., in America...in fact i think they welcome them with open arms. Why else would they not want them fingerprinted? Why would anyone think this is the right thing to do?

 

[Lue C Fur]

Obama's Dangerous Immigration Endgame

There’s a reason President Obama refuses to secure the borders, and insists that the only way to stop illegals from entering this country is to give them all amnesty.

This week Republican senators—including John McCain (Supports Amnesty)—told President Obama that there would be no talk about amnesty or a guest-worker program for illegals until his administration secures the border and enforces the law. But despite saying he’ll send 1,200 troops to the border, Obama doesn’t want to secure it, because his blueprint calls for keeping illegals here, and for fighting Arizona’s new law.

Arizona’s new law recognizes that foreigners in this country illegally pose a public safety, social morality, and general welfare concern when they enter the state. It violates Arizona labor and employment laws to be working for a business in Arizona if you are here illegally. Such work also involves identify theft and document fraud, which are crimes. And many illegals without gainful employment are instead engaged in drug-dealing or other crimes, or are incarcerated at state expense, or are even living off of welfare programs.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...ation-law-obama-national-guard-troops-border/

 

[klein]

Obama's Dangerous Immigration Endgame

There’s a reason President Obama refuses to secure the borders, and insists that the only way to stop illegals from entering this country is to give them all amnesty.

This week Republican senators—including John McCain (Supports Amnesty)—told President Obama that there would be no talk about amnesty or a guest-worker program for illegals until his administration secures the border and enforces the law. But despite saying he’ll send 1,200 troops to the border, Obama doesn’t want to secure it, because his blueprint calls for keeping illegals here, and for fighting Arizona’s new law.

Arizona’s new law recognizes that foreigners in this country illegally pose a public safety, social morality, and general welfare concern when they enter the state. It violates Arizona labor and employment laws to be working for a business in Arizona if you are here illegally. Such work also involves identify theft and document fraud, which are crimes. And many illegals without gainful employment are instead engaged in drug-dealing or other crimes, or are incarcerated at state expense, or are even living off of welfare programs.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...ation-law-obama-national-guard-troops-border/

Your own fault !
If americans wouldn't be using drugs, there wouldn't be a drug trade.
If americans didn't sell guns, there wouldn't be a gun trade.
If american companies wouldn't hire illegals to work. There wouldn't be none !
And if illegals get free welfare, send them home as soon as they apply for it. Simple as that.

 

[trplnkl]

Your own fault !
If americans wouldn't be using drugs, there wouldn't be a drug trade.
If americans didn't sell guns, there wouldn't be a gun trade.
If american companies wouldn't hire illegals to work. There wouldn't be none !
And if illegals get free welfare, send them home as soon as they apply for it. Simple as that.

Now Klein, I'm not one of the people that hound you on everything you say. I don't remember ever saying anything about your reason for leaving UPS, although in your original thread on that matter I did defend you to a point. I hope you don't think I am among the Klein haters. Having said that, your comment in this post is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard since the claims that the USA asked for the 9/11 murders. Absolutely fatuous.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Your own fault !
If americans wouldn't be using drugs, there wouldn't be a drug trade.
If americans didn't sell guns, there wouldn't be a gun trade.
If american companies wouldn't hire illegals to work. There wouldn't be none !
And if illegals get free welfare, send them home as soon as they apply for it. Simple as that.

Hey look everyone...Klein is bashing America again...imagine that...what a shocker!!!

 

[klein]

Now Klein, I'm not one of the people that hound you on everything you say. I don't remember ever saying anything about your reason for leaving UPS, although in your original thread on that matter I did defend you to a point. I hope you don't think I am among the Klein haters. Having said that, your comment in this post is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard since the claims that the USA asked for the 9/11 murders. Absolutely fatuous.

Sorry, trinkle pinkle.... but all those things don't really exist here, for such an enviroment.
We don't have guns for sale.
Besides weed, and maybe some meth/coke... drug trade is very minimum.
No one gets work here without picture ID and SS# matching up. And, in the "system".
And definitly no welfare, without income and tax slips, proof of children,citizenship, etc.
Singles don't and can't collect welfare in my province (state). Unless of a disabilty.

 

[klein]

Hey look everyone...Klein is bashing America again...imagine that...what a shocker!!!

It's not bashing America, but maybe giving you some "social liberal Canadian" examples of how it can work !

 

[pickup]

Hey look everyone...Klein is bashing America again...imagine that...what a shocker!!!

Everything must be perfect up in Kleinada for him to be able to focus his energies upon all of our problems.

 

[Lue C Fur]

It's not bashing America, but maybe giving you some "social liberal Canadian" examples of how it can work !

Are you drinking "Likor" again...its kinda early isnt it?

 

[diesel96]

The Arizona Bill is no doubt un-American. We are not a show me your papers country, nor one that believes in subjecting people to harassment, investigation and arrest simply because others may perceive them as foreign. This law violates tentacles the Constitution and interferes with federal law, and I'm confident that we will prevent it from ever taking effect.
Here, for the benefit of some, who appear to believe their knowledge is superior to all others,(which is laughable) have asked me to explain why the Arizona law is unconstitutional, is the cite (emphasis added):

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power….To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Article VI, Clause 2 (the Supremacy Clause):
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
​

Not only would the Arizona law criminalize undocumented immigrants, but anybody who helps them or who fails to carry paperwork proving legal status at all times. It would be impossible for the police to carry out a mandate to check anybody who they have a reasonable suspicion of being in the country illegally, without engaging in profiling or violating our basic civil rights.
If this law is allowed to take effect, people with brown skin, regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens or legal residents, will be forced to prove their legal status to law enforcement officers over and over. One-third of Arizona’s population, those who are Latino, will be designated as second-class citizens.
It’s up to the courts to put a stop to this immediately. Our fundamental rights as Americans are at stake. Again. Thanks to the pseudo-patriots who don’t understand our Constitution.

 

[moreluck]

Your first sentence negates the entire post for me !!

 

[klein]

The Arizona Bill is no doubt un-American. We are not a show me your papers country, nor one that believes in subjecting people to harassment, investigation and arrest simply because others may perceive them as foreign. This law violates tentacles the Constitution and interferes with federal law, and I'm confident that we will prevent it from ever taking effect.
Here, for the benefit of some, who appear to believe their knowledge is superior to all others,(which is laughable) have asked me to explain why the Arizona law is unconstitutional, is the cite (emphasis added):

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power….To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Article VI, Clause 2 (the Supremacy Clause):
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
​

Not only would the Arizona law criminalize undocumented immigrants, but anybody who helps them or who fails to carry paperwork proving legal status at all times. It would be impossible for the police to carry out a mandate to check anybody who they have a reasonable suspicion of being in the country illegally, without engaging in profiling or violating our basic civil rights.
If this law is allowed to take effect, people with brown skin, regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens or legal residents, will be forced to prove their legal status to law enforcement officers over and over. One-third of Arizona’s population, those who are Latino, will be designated as second-class citizens.
It’s up to the courts to put a stop to this immediately. Our fundamental rights as Americans are at stake. Again. Thanks to the pseudo-patriots who don’t understand our Constitution.

I agree, but Lucy thinks if I go to the ocean beach, I need to swim with papers on me, otherwise I'm a fool, if I drowned, and nobody knew who I was.
Or, I can leave my papers and wallet on the beach, and hope nobody steals it.

I don't mind leaving $10 or $20 in my beach bag.... but my documents.... don't think so !

 

[klein]

Sad, lucy, you didn't even take the time to hear his entire speech.
It was actually really good, and good spoken.

And btw, he was invited to Washington, and was in Washington.
Not in Arizona !
He didn't speak against America, only had doubts about Arizona's new law.

 

[trplnkl]

The Arizona Bill is no doubt un-American.
We are not a show me your papers country, nor one that believes in subjecting people to harassment, investigation and arrest simply because others may perceive them as foreign. This law violates tentacles the Constitution and interferes with federal law, and I'm confident that we will prevent it from ever taking effect.

Here, for the benefit of some, who appear to believe their knowledge is superior to all others,(which is laughable) have asked me to explain why the Arizona law is unconstitutional, is the cite (emphasis added):

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power….To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Article VI, Clause 2 (the Supremacy Clause):
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
​

Not only would the Arizona law criminalize undocumented immigrants, but anybody who helps them or who fails to carry paperwork proving legal status at all times. It would be impossible for the police to carry out a mandate to check anybody who they have a reasonable suspicion of being in the country illegally, without engaging in profiling or violating our basic civil rights.

If this law is allowed to take effect, people with brown skin, regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens or legal residents, will be forced to prove their legal status to law enforcement officers over and over. One-third of Arizona’s population, those who are Latino, will be designated as second-class citizens.
It’s up to the courts to put a stop to this immediately. Our fundamental rights as Americans are at stake. Again. Thanks to the pseudo-patriots who don’t understand our Constitution.

I'm getting really tired of your lies and bending of the facts that are present. If you have actually read the law, you refuse to understand it and keep pushing your extremist left wing stupidity.
Your president's own Attorney General and his immense staff haven't been able to find anything in AZ's law to fight it's supposed unconstitutionality. You better believe that if this law was unconstitutional, they would already be in court. But he's certain it's unconstitutional.....yea right.
I've already posted a link to US Code on illegal immigration (which has already been declared as constitutional) and evidently you haven't read that one either.
BTW, I have never claimed to have superior knowledge of the Constitution or of the laws, but I'm not to stupid to know what it says.

Your obvious racism is overwhelming.

 

[KingofBrown]

Someone talking with his heart... isn't that sentimental? Anyway. trplnkl haven't you read my posts dude? I've explained you everything you've asked for. "If you did post the answer I must have missed it in one of your run on sentences, but I digress." Oops, I guess you haven't. Or maybe you have, but you just ignore what goes against your political ideals. I am beginning to think you believe in what the Constitutions says, but I am still not certain that you have a clue as to what it does say. I ask again, what part of the Constitution has been violated, ignored, insulted or spat upon. Please be specific. Go back and read my posts. I've even refered to SB1070 (along with HB2162). I've told you how it does, and all you say is "that's not what it implies. You want me to be more specific. LOL, now you're gonna have a problem with "moreluck" LOL. " I really hate to tell you this, but this thread has been political from the very first post. The subject is highly political. You have no idea what my prejudices are, you might be surprised if you did know. You keep saying I'm ignorant about the Constitution yet you have only shown your disdain for people who insult it. That is not proof of your knowledge of said document, so how about put up or shut up? You tell me what part of the Constitution has been violated." Yeah, I know, and that's the first thing I've pointed out, you can't see beyond your nose, because you're too submerge into politics, and cannot debate in a neutral manner. I don't think I would be surprised of your prejudices, if you show that type bigotry to one group of people on an internet site, I can imagine how you are in real person. I've met several people like that. Oh, just remember the word "wetguys" you came up with. So you don't think I know anything about my Constitution? LOL, you need to read dude. Get back to my posts and read. I see you don't have a problem understanding, the thing is you don't read, maybe if you read you might be able to understand laws, who knows. You're running on a spin-wheel like a hamster, saying the same things over and over. Now, it's not my problem you ignore what it's not convenient for you, I'm not gonna' repeat things over and over. As I've said before, you guys tell me I write gibberish stuff, then tell me what's and how's gibberish what I write. Point me out things. Don't repeat the same questions over and over and over again. Oh Nay nay, I was dead serious, do you have any idea what the US Code is? I wonder if you're trained in some type of reverse-psychology. Get back and read my posts, I've already answer all your babble gabble. And stop using my own statements against me, because that doesn't work.

Oh, but I love this one:

OH you really got me, didn't ya?- trplnkl
Did I? On what part? The prejudice you have? The rights for people living under any jurisdiciton? Your insult to my Constitution? About the Political issue? Etc. etc. etc.
I'm sorry, in the future I will try to refrain from making facetious remarks. I hope you will. FINALLY!

Hey, and stop mentioning me on the other posts... I have Contitutional Principles, you have Political ones. I can think in a neutral manner beyond all the political garbage you're submerged into. Now, if you think that a person still believing in the Principles of the Constitution is "naive," guess what? There are a lot of people that still believe in what our Founding Fathers struggled for, I'm not the only one. And please don't tell me to point you out where you mention me. You go back and look in the posts. READ.

 

[KingofBrown]

Good points. Some people here just ignore them. The stupid law SB1070 will take effect. Well, it has been in effect right now, and it has been in effect for several years with Mr. Arpaio. Hey people don't tell me: How can you say this? Do you have any facts? Go and do your homework. Mr. Arpaio himself has said that. Civil Rights have been violated, but when the law takes effects they won't infringe Civil Rights, because it'll be legal to violate them. Bizarre isn't it?

The Arizona Bill is no doubt un-American. We are not a show me your papers country, nor one that believes in subjecting people to harassment, investigation and arrest simply because others may perceive them as foreign. This law violates tentacles the Constitution and interferes with federal law, and I'm confident that we will prevent it from ever taking effect.
Here, for the benefit of some, who appear to believe their knowledge is superior to all others,(which is laughable) have asked me to explain why the Arizona law is unconstitutional, is the cite (emphasis added):

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power….To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Article VI, Clause 2 (the Supremacy Clause):
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
​

Not only would the Arizona law criminalize undocumented immigrants, but anybody who helps them or who fails to carry paperwork proving legal status at all times. It would be impossible for the police to carry out a mandate to check anybody who they have a reasonable suspicion of being in the country illegally, without engaging in profiling or violating our basic civil rights.
If this law is allowed to take effect, people with brown skin, regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens or legal residents, will be forced to prove their legal status to law enforcement officers over and over. One-third of Arizona’s population, those who are Latino, will be designated as second-class citizens.
It’s up to the courts to put a stop to this immediately. Our fundamental rights as Americans are at stake. Again. Thanks to the pseudo-patriots who don’t understand our Constitution.

 

[KingofBrown]

Now, lets do some math. In Phoenix there's one police officer for every five hundred citizens. Yes! 500! Now, if you say they're going on these usuals raids they do on illegal aliens, typically, it'll take like 8 officers to stop one lady to show her ID. I'm not kidding. Don't tell me is not a fact, you talk gibberish, you're naive, etc, it's real life, do your research. Now... some calculations... 4,000 citizens by statistics will be unprotected. My goodness! Doesn't the Sheriff say he's trying to fight crime. Sheriff, you have very limited resources and you're exhausting the ones you have. My! Kidnappers will be throwing a party! Hey don't say all the illegal alliens are the kidnappers, robbers, etc. etc. etc. that's just another outworn statement.

 

[bbsam]

I'm getting really tired of your lies and bending of the facts that are present. If you have actually read the law, you refuse to understand it and keep pushing your extremist left wing stupidity.
Your president's own Attorney General and his immense staff haven't been able to find anything in AZ's law to fight it's supposed unconstitutionality. You better believe that if this law was unconstitutional, they would already be in court. But he's certain it's unconstitutional.....yea right.
I've already posted a link to US Code on illegal immigration (which has already been declared as constitutional) and evidently you haven't read that one either.
BTW, I have never claimed to have superior knowledge of the Constitution or of the laws, but I'm not to stupid to know what it says.

Your obvious racism is overwhelming.

Now it's you calling everyone racist. Interesting.