Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[Babagounj]

Now, Lucy are you trying to tell me that you, like a former president didn't inhale?
Doesn't matter. I "don't regret the past nor wish to close the door on it". I know for a fact the corridors of money and power that are entangled in the drug trade. There's no "war" going on, unless it's a gang-like turf war.

so you are implying that barry & company are involved with the drug cartels, or is it that they are the drug cartels ?

 

[moreluck]

When I see video of illegals carrying 60 lb. packs of drugs across the border freely....it means that Barry and crew do nothing to try and stop it.....therefore they allow it. It's happening now, he's suppose to be in charge, so it's his watch !!

 

[tieguy]

so you are implying that barry & company are involved with the drug cartels, or is it that they are the drug cartels ?

I don't know if he knows what he is saying. there are a lot of dedicated individuals fighting the war on druges. Many risking theiir lives inundercover roles. His comments are like telling our soldiors in afghanistan that there is no war there.

 

[bbsam]

I don't know if he knows what he is saying. there are a lot of dedicated individuals fighting the war on druges. Many risking theiir lives inundercover roles. His comments are like telling our soldiors in afghanistan that there is no war there.

Really? When did Congress declare war? Are you sure there is a war going on? Do you really think drugs coming into this country without the knoweldge by officials? Do you know how the drug dealings that went on during Iran/Contra? What do you think these undercover agents think when they take the corner dealer off the street and the next day someone else is right there doing the same? Just because people are risking it all doesn't mean the country and it's leaders are there too. In short your naivete is daunting.

 

[bbsam]

so you are implying that barry & company are involved with the drug cartels, or is it that they are the drug cartels ?

I am saying that at all levels of the government there is complicity, kickbacks, and less than a war footing in terms of fighting drugs both nationally and internationally.

 

[trplnkl]

Back in the nineties when I was heavy into drugs

That explains a lot.

 

[bbsam]

Ok. I'm willing to be wrong. If you think the US is putting forth their greatest effort and resources to stemming the flow of drugs, then maybe it's just a war we can't win. I thought it had to do with marshalling adequate resources and having the national resolve to do it. But if this is the best we can do and these are the results we have to live with, then I guess we simply can't win and this will be the way it continues to go. However, I really don't think you can call the drug situation as we see it today as "winning the war on drugs".

 

[bbsam]

Don't suppose anybody bothered to google "Michael Nunn"?

 

[trplnkl]

Don't suppose anybody bothered to google "Michael Nunn"?

Is he involved with the Arizona law SB1070 or in immigration? If not, I don't care about Micheal Nunn. As far as I am concerned, by what you posted about him, he's just another drug dealing scumbag waste of skin.

 

[bbsam]

Is he involved with the Arizona law SB1070 or in immigration? If not, I don't care about Micheal Nunn. As far as I am concerned, by what you posted about him, he's just another drug dealing scumbag waste of skin.

Right. And if you are unable to draw parallels from the failed "war on drugs", and the misfortunes of the "war on terror", we will continue to have the arguements ad infinitum. Why? Politicians need the issue, business owners need the cheap labor, and for those reasons nothing will get done. It's simple to close borders and start ending this nonsense, but it's expensive and would require the political will to see it through.

 

[tieguy]

Really? When did Congress declare war? Are you sure there is a war going on? Do you really think drugs coming into this country without the knoweldge by officials? Do you know how the drug dealings that went on during Iran/Contra? What do you think these undercover agents think when they take the corner dealer off the street and the next day someone else is right there doing the same? Just because people are risking it all doesn't mean the country and it's leaders are there too. In short your naivete is daunting.

Your answer probably sounded good to the *** you work with at fdx. It is however insulting to the many fine americans who constantly fight this war on drugs that you deny.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Your answer probably sounded good to the derelicts and idiots you work with at fdx. It is however insulting to the many fine americans who constantly fight this war on drugs that you deny.

And an insult to those who have died fighting the war.

 

[bbsam]

And an insult to those who have died fighting the war.

Facts are a stubborn thing.

 

[KingofBrown]

Watch out with those words. I got many good friends at FedEx, and your comment is very inappropiate and offensive. I don't think you'll call them that face to face, will ya'?

Your answer probably sounded good to the *** you work with at fdx. It is however insulting to the many fine americans who constantly fight this war on drugs that you deny.

 

[KingofBrown]

Well, most aspects I have cited of the law have been ignored. Another aspect of the law:
Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released

Under SB1070 a police officer can arrest you if you don’t show an ID. SB1070 makes illegal immigration a state misdemeanor. If you don’t show an ID you’re guilty of a crime. Now, just because you don’t show an ID, you’ll be guilty of committing a misdemeanor until they check the opposite, and of course if the officer wants to arrest that person, he/she’ll be open to do it or not based on the officer’s reasonable suspicion.
By current laws, that person is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, but under SB1070 he/she’ll be guilty until proven innocent. How long will a US Citizen be arrested until his/her immigration status is checked? (Any person...immigration status determined before the person is released) Rachel Wilson, an immigration attorney, says it “could take quite a while.” And please don’t bring up e-Verify, as it has nothing to do with this. And don’t say the person arrested can go back home and get his/her ID to impress the officers, and that he/she’s proud of his/her ID, and that way he/she’ll prove his/her innocence.

A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following: The ID's.

So, it’s the same thing as saying that a person is presumed to not have committed a Class 1 Misdemeanor if the person shows an ID. If the person doesn’t show an ID, he/she’s probably guilty of having committed a Class 1 Misdemeanor until proven the opposite. Wonderful. It has been such a very restricted process for the government to pass something like 13-2412, and Rusell Pearce and company want to have a more radical way of identifying one self, that easily. Wow.

 

[KingofBrown]

 

[trplnkl]

Facts are a stubborn thing.

I'm not certain that you have presented any facts, your opinion yea, but facts???? not so sure you have.
I don't know what cheap labor has to do with the "war on drugs" or the "war on terror", but I guess it makes sense in your head.
I agree that there are political roadblocks in winning any " war on _______(fill in the blank)" , however that does not mean there is not a war, just one that probably will never be won for various reasons. Any time there are soldiers (LEOs) fighting, it is a war. The dedication level of the country's "deciders" is another matter.

tell me how do you feel about illegal immigration? For it or against it?

 

[bbsam]

Against it. And as I've said before, raise taxes institute the draft, deploy 100,000 on the border and shut it down. My point is that many of the problems in this country have simple straight-forward solutions that are either not politically expedient or they are expensive. Simple case of following the money. I referenced Michael Nunn. Ask any law enforcement official in any city where the drugs are coming from and I would bet he could give you a money/drug trail within that city. Same thing with illegal immigration. Everybody knows who the employers are that are exploiting the situation so why do we put up with it? Where does that money trail run? Without a unified front in these "wars" what is the point?

 

[Babagounj]

Homicidal ILLEGAL Loses Her Appeal

Driver in fatal Cottonwood, Minn., school bus crash loses appeal

By Frederick Melo
The Minnesota Court of Appeals has upheld the prison sentence of Olga Franco, the Guatemalan national convicted of driving a minivan through a stop sign near rural Cottonwood, Minn., killing four children on a Lakeview School District bus and injuring 17 others.
The February 2008 crash drew national attention, in part because of Franco’s immigration status. Franco, 26, initially identified herself as Alianiss Nunez Morales of Puerto Rico, but investigators quickly determined her true identity and found she was living and working in the country illegally.
In August 2008, a Kandiyohi County jury found Franco guilty of all 24 charges, including four counts of criminal vehicular homicide, 17 counts of criminal vehicular operation, and three additional charges. The case was heard outside of Lyon County, where the crash occurred, in hopes of establishing an impartial jury.
Franco is serving her 12 1/2-year prison sentence at a state prison in Shakopee.

 

[Babagounj]

74 House Members and 5 Senators to File Court Brief in Support of Arizona

Seventy-nine Members of Congress will be filing a friend-of-the-court brief in support of Arizona against the lawsuit filed two weeks ago by the Justice Department.