Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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Babagounj
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Mexico is Not Safe for Our Consulate
US Consulate in Ciudad Juarez closes for security
by ALEXANDRA OLSON
MEXICO CITY — The U.S. closed its consulate in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez on Thursday pending a security review, an unexpected decision that comes months after drug gangs killed three people tied to the consulate.
The U.S. Embassy announced the consulate will “remain closed until the security review is completed” and said it would reschedule appointments for visa applications.
The embassy did not say what prompted the review, and a spokesman said there would be no comment beyond the statement.
US Consulate in Ciudad Juarez closes for security
by ALEXANDRA OLSON
MEXICO CITY — The U.S. closed its consulate in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez on Thursday pending a security review, an unexpected decision that comes months after drug gangs killed three people tied to the consulate.
The U.S. Embassy announced the consulate will “remain closed until the security review is completed” and said it would reschedule appointments for visa applications.
The embassy did not say what prompted the review, and a spokesman said there would be no comment beyond the statement.
Babagounj
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Law Trial
ONLY the US Supreme Court has Constitutional Authority to Conduct the Trial
By Publius Huldah
Does anyone read the U.S. Constitution these days? American lawyers don’t read it. Federal Judge Susan R. Bolton apparently has never read it. Same goes for our illustrious Attorney General Eric Holder. But this lawyer has read it and she is going to show you something in Our Constitution which is as plain as the nose on your face.
Article III, Sec. 2, clause 2 says:
When a federal district court judge presides over a case which the Constitution specifically prohibits her from hearing, and even issues a ruling enjoining the enforcement of a State Law, then that federal district court judge usurps power. She is specifically stripped – by Art. III, Sec. 2, clause 2 – of jurisdiction to preside over the case against the STATE of Arizona and against THE GOVERNOR of the STATE of Arizona.
ONLY the US Supreme Court has Constitutional Authority to Conduct the Trial
By Publius Huldah
Does anyone read the U.S. Constitution these days? American lawyers don’t read it. Federal Judge Susan R. Bolton apparently has never read it. Same goes for our illustrious Attorney General Eric Holder. But this lawyer has read it and she is going to show you something in Our Constitution which is as plain as the nose on your face.
Article III, Sec. 2, clause 2 says:
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction…
“Original” jurisdiction means the power to conduct the “trial” of the case (as opposed to hearing an appeal from the judgment of a lower court).
When a federal district court judge presides over a case which the Constitution specifically prohibits her from hearing, and even issues a ruling enjoining the enforcement of a State Law, then that federal district court judge usurps power. She is specifically stripped – by Art. III, Sec. 2, clause 2 – of jurisdiction to preside over the case against the STATE of Arizona and against THE GOVERNOR of the STATE of Arizona.
Babagounj
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Mexico makes Afghanistan look civilized
John Farmer/The Star-Ledger
There’s a sameness about the news — more killings of the security forces and civilians, kidnappings, beheadings, roadside extortion and corruption that infects the army, police and government officialdom alike.
The country is a failed state, a narco-state even, unable to protect its people or provide jobs. The young are forced into the drug trade for employment. Ordinary families live in fear as much of the military and police as of the terrorists. Many have lost faith in the war. Afghanistan is indeed in dreadful condition.
But the state we’re describing here is Mexico.
Its bloody and apparently losing battle against brazen drug cartels provides a grim background to the struggle in the streets, the press and the courts of this country over illegal Mexican immigration and what to do about it.
The violence along the U.S.-Mexico border is worsening and raising fears it will spill over into this country. In recent days, 17 Mexicans were brutally gunned down — at a birthday party of all things. The first car bomb also was set off, shades of Afghanistan. And, as in Afghanistan, whispers are heard in Mexico that the war against the drug terrorists is not worth the cost.
There another similarity, too — the tendency of Mexican politicians, like Afghanistan’s, to blame the United States for their troubles.
John Farmer/The Star-Ledger
There’s a sameness about the news — more killings of the security forces and civilians, kidnappings, beheadings, roadside extortion and corruption that infects the army, police and government officialdom alike.
The country is a failed state, a narco-state even, unable to protect its people or provide jobs. The young are forced into the drug trade for employment. Ordinary families live in fear as much of the military and police as of the terrorists. Many have lost faith in the war. Afghanistan is indeed in dreadful condition.
But the state we’re describing here is Mexico.
Its bloody and apparently losing battle against brazen drug cartels provides a grim background to the struggle in the streets, the press and the courts of this country over illegal Mexican immigration and what to do about it.
The violence along the U.S.-Mexico border is worsening and raising fears it will spill over into this country. In recent days, 17 Mexicans were brutally gunned down — at a birthday party of all things. The first car bomb also was set off, shades of Afghanistan. And, as in Afghanistan, whispers are heard in Mexico that the war against the drug terrorists is not worth the cost.
There another similarity, too — the tendency of Mexican politicians, like Afghanistan’s, to blame the United States for their troubles.
diesel96
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Right Wing media off the charts with there unhinged rhetoric and fear baiting over Judge Susan Bolton's July 28 decision to block parts of the Arizona immigration law from taking effect,
It's just so absurd, and you guys buy into this echo chamber...
Rush Limbaugh suggested the ruling would prevent the state from defending itself from an "invasion," and "Muslim terrorists are going to have a field day in Arizona...
A Washington Times rt wing reporter Kuhner suggested Arizona should consider secession....That "leftist judges -- elitist activists in black robes -- override democratic legitimacy." Kuhner warned that the United States is in danger of becoming a "socialist superstate"...
Hannity says "it appears that the federal government won't protect American citizens, won't enforce the law, and also, on the other hand, now the state of Arizona, that you can't do it either?"
Fox and Friends, co-hosts says "If the feds won't protect the people and Governor Brewer can't protect her citizens, what are the people of Arizona supposed to do?"
Beck stated that with the judge's ruling, "you have a suicide pact with the Constitution now for states":
Savage: "The judge is a criminal who should be put in jail." Radio host Michael Savage responded to the ruling by calling Bolton a "criminal," adding that " in a sane country, she'd be arrested."
The conservative right has such a love-hate relationship with the constitution it defies description.
It's just so absurd, and you guys buy into this echo chamber...
Rush Limbaugh suggested the ruling would prevent the state from defending itself from an "invasion," and "Muslim terrorists are going to have a field day in Arizona...
A Washington Times rt wing reporter Kuhner suggested Arizona should consider secession....That "leftist judges -- elitist activists in black robes -- override democratic legitimacy." Kuhner warned that the United States is in danger of becoming a "socialist superstate"...
Hannity says "it appears that the federal government won't protect American citizens, won't enforce the law, and also, on the other hand, now the state of Arizona, that you can't do it either?"
Fox and Friends, co-hosts says "If the feds won't protect the people and Governor Brewer can't protect her citizens, what are the people of Arizona supposed to do?"
Beck stated that with the judge's ruling, "you have a suicide pact with the Constitution now for states":
Savage: "The judge is a criminal who should be put in jail." Radio host Michael Savage responded to the ruling by calling Bolton a "criminal," adding that " in a sane country, she'd be arrested."
The conservative right has such a love-hate relationship with the constitution it defies description.
diesel96
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That's a pretty irrellevent question for this forum..... Where's your train of thought at, implying only those who served in the Armed Forces have more substance for an anti-immigration debate ? After-all, this is a Law Enforcement issue at the Local, State, County, and Federal levels and a Constitutional challenge. And last I heard,there's only one version of the Constitution. Now the Nat'l Guardman being deployed are the new kids on the block, and have been retrained as Gap fillers to assist the Border Patrol. To support the efforts of law enforcement, not to have a direct law enforcement role, not to confront, unless confronted, any particular threat. I find it odd that you ask this question, and with a snooty attitude no less,. If you can give us a pertainet answer as to why this question of yours is rellevent, I'll be happy to respond.
klein
Für Meno :)
Sorry, but I don't see much of a connection between illegal immigrants, and drug gangs at the border.
Just control the border areas better for now , (which they are doing).
UPS Lifer
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diesel96;757452[B said:
Hey Dies!
Where do you want me to send the bus? I still have not heard from you. How ironic... you talk about irrelevant questions ???? All of your rhetoric is irrelevant. You & the Canadian and the other uber-liberals who are far from the Mexican border as you can get. When you start living it every day than I will take read what you have to say... until then your words are irrelevant.
Sheriff Joe has some nice accommodations that can help you acclimate to this Arizona climate! Come visit.
UPS Lifer
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Hey Klein,
Thank you for your astute insight into our situation.
BTW
Aren't you closer to the Eskimos and Santa Claus then you are to the Mexican border????
trplnkl
555
Why would you ask that question?
For maybe the first ime, I agree with Diesel....what is the relevancy?
klein
Für Meno :)
I'll tell you what the relevancy is.
Jan Brewer has to do it now, because she can't go behind the back of any republican president and do it on her own.
moreluck
golden ticket member
who's a republican president?? what? who? where? when? Put the beer down now!!
Babagounj
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Warrior
Meet Sheriff Larry Dever, illegal immigration warrior
By Caroline May
Cochise County, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever .
Immigration at the border was an entirely different beast fifty years ago. “When I was a young boy growing up, there were a couple of guys who’d come up from Mexico each year and they’d work odd jobs as long as anyone had work for them,” he said. “They’d stay with us, they’d eat with us, and then when the season was over they’d go home and you’d see them again the next spring. That was very common, particularly in the more rural areas of Cochise Country, nobody really thought anything about it.”
Meet Sheriff Larry Dever, illegal immigration warrior
By Caroline May
Cochise County, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever .
Immigration at the border was an entirely different beast fifty years ago. “When I was a young boy growing up, there were a couple of guys who’d come up from Mexico each year and they’d work odd jobs as long as anyone had work for them,” he said. “They’d stay with us, they’d eat with us, and then when the season was over they’d go home and you’d see them again the next spring. That was very common, particularly in the more rural areas of Cochise Country, nobody really thought anything about it.”
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I have and this would be the ideal place to send our reserve force to complement and work with the Border Patrol and other local agencies (even Sheriff Joe). This would show that we are finally serious about our immigration problem.
diesel96
Well-Known Member
Hey Dies!
Where do you want me to send the bus? I still have not heard from you. How ironic... you talk about irrelevant questions ???? All of your rhetoric is irrelevant. You & the Canadian and the other uber-liberals who are far from the Mexican border as you can get. When you start living it every day than I will take read what you have to say... until then your words are irrelevant.
Sheriff Joe has some nice accommodations that can help you acclimate to this Arizona climate! Come visit.
Apparently, my words are relevant. Relevant enough to draw a response from you...
."I still have not heard from you" ....??? No, I will not go steady with you. I told you that already !
You know Lifer, you come here on this topic so high and mighty because you live in Arizona, and I'll admit, you guys do have an illegal immigration problem, and the Fed's could employ more staff at the border, but allow me to bring you down from your high horse. Your basically a "pass thru state". There are 6 more States with a much higher influx of illegal aliens than Arizona. One of them, my State (Florida) which is third on the list, and that's not counting "Cubans" due to the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966....Your state falls between Ga #6 and NC #8, states not even on the border. These most recent stats can be found on the DHS web site. So maybe you ought to tone down the rhetoric a bit, because there are many of us living it everyday, even more so than your mis-informed uber conservative-self righteous conscious claims to be.
CA...2.6 million
TX...1.6 million
FL...720,000 * not counting Cubans
NY...550,000
ILL...540,000
GA...480,000
AZ...460,000
NC...370,000
NJ...360,000
NV...260,000
All other States....2.73 million
Greatest percentage increase GA 115%....NV 55%...TX 54%
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/s...georgia-have-more-illegal-immigrants-arizona/
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2009.pdf
BTW....Since Sherriff Joe insisit on defying the Judge's verdict, there's a Florida based company that mfg's "Gringo Masks", give me your address an I'll send some for your maid and lawn crew....
