Ashamed to be an American

[Bad Gas!]

By nearly every economic indicator, Obama did turn this country around. If Trump turns it around and the DOW ends at 10,000 in two years, or the Wall isn't built or Hillary isn't behind bars or great paying jobs aren't abundant or Obamacare isn't scrapped or the Russians take Poland,...then what?

All Obama's fault?

Trump's made a lot of promises...he's got the House...He's got the Senate...he's got no excuses.

So...what's he do? Picks fights with his own party.
Like it or not, success or failure, Republicans are going to own this.

Obama had the lowest GDP ever for a president while spending 9 trillion on failed policies while widening the gap between rich and poor and black and white.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Obama had the lowest GDP ever for a president while spending 9 trillion on failed policies while widening the gap between rich and poor and black and white.

When you start that complaint with the name of one person it shows how little you understand about how our government works. .

 

[Non sequitur]

Sen Rand Paul discuses Obama care replacement today. Check it out

 

[Sportello]

Maybe he is looking at the Bush 2nd term when the numbers were that high.

2000 to 2015 Trade Deficit

Yet he can't admit that he is making stuff up.

 

[bbsam]

that type of analysis is for the pundits and academia's. All I know is its imploding

And you know that because other pundits tell you so.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Sen Ron Paul discuses Obama care replacement today. Check it out

You sure about that? You got a link to a source?
I'm thinking you might mean Rand, his son, because I find it unlikely Ron Paul would suggest replacing Obamacare with anything. The neocons are the ones that want to replace it with their own new set of just as bad garbage.

Rand is no Ron.

 

[newfie]

Except for them. They can celebrate their operative in the White House.

your snowflake slip is showing

 

[newfie]

And you know that because other pundits tell you so.

yea its like commenting on the paint job of a car that does not run. You think it's a gray or green and want to debate the shade. I notice its sitting still and not going anywhere.

 

[rod]

I have friends in 10 different countries. All are concerned, and also appalled at our choice. Most think Americans are clueless for even allowing Trump on the ballot.

He belongs in an institution.

Most secretly (or even to our faces) hate Americans anyway so who gives a flying friend... what they think?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

yea its like commenting on the paint job of a car that does not run. You think it's a gray or green and want to debate the shade. I notice its sitting still and not going anywhere.

Right, you're the guy who notices it's sitting still and instead of doing anything about it wants to stand around and point his finger.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Most secretly (or even to our faces) hate Americans anyway so who gives a flying friend... what they think?

Most? Nah bro, you're projecting.

 

[MrFedEx]

I think trump is trying to fix the last 30. Lets give him 5 min before his crucifixion.

Trump is doing his level best to self-crucify. Now, he's dangling a massive cutback of NATO in return for Russia lowering it's number of nukes. This, at a time when Russia is the main threat (think Ukraine) to NATO countries. Again, is Trump just ignorant or is he a patsy?

Do you think maybe he really is working for the Russians? Again, show us those taxes, Donald, so we know you're not a traitor.

No taxes? The doubt will always remain.

Making Russia Great Again.

 

[wkmac]

Yet he can't admit that he is making stuff up.

Not prepared to make that conclusion myself on what I know about said poster but I might can understand why you are willing to do so.

 

[Non sequitur]

Look at the world map conflict zones and other hot spots. It would help to form temporary alliances even with a political adversaries to defend the whole western political/societal identity. Or just give up. Remember WWII and our alliances. Read friend--k sharia law

 

[rod]

I think the women should fight the next war

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Look at the world map conflict zones and other hot spots. It would help to form temporary alliances even with a political adversaries to defend the whole western political/societal identity. Or just give up. Remember WWII and our alliances. Read friend--k sharia law

Trade with all, alliance with none.

 

[Non sequitur]

Did you hear General Mattis response to the lgbt question by congress. Sounds like were going back to don't ask don't tell. Who gives a flying friend-ck about your personal life as long as your combat ready. Keep it to yourself soldier!

 

[bbsam]

Look at the world map conflict zones and other hot spots. It would help to form temporary alliances even with a political adversaries to defend the whole western political/societal identity. Or just give up. Remember WWII and our alliances. Read friend--k sharia law

Maybe Russia and the US could have joint "war games". Could have them in the southwest to mimic the middle east and maybe tweak John McCain's nose. Imagine that. Russian attack helicopters over Arizona and a president that's cool with it...and an friend'n Republican president at rhat!

 

[wkmac]

Obama had the lowest GDP ever for a president while spending 9 trillion on failed policies while widening the gap between rich and poor and black and white.

From my own POV, there are many good reasons to rip on Obama, economics being one among many. However in regards to the escalation of the debt, since Reagan, the debt (as opposed the the budget deficit) for each administration goes higher by some fairly big numbers. This results in each administration spending more than is taken in. But one other aspect especially in Obama's case is that Obama was left with the duty of re-inflating the economy because all the "To Big To Fail" firms with their army of lobbyists and lobbyist money convinced Washington that the gov't needed to in-debt more unborn taxpayers so they could spend the money now. Having robbed Washington DC once under Bush and Clinton, why not go back and rob Washington for more? Who doesn't love crony capitalism.

Federal Reserve policy of Quantatitive Easing and suppressing real interest rates have longterm damage, creating more federal debt load being one of them. Another reason the so-called rich got richer is because they got first dibs on the Federal Welfare Checks thanks to the debt load which in a true free market economy would not have happened and the unsustainable would fall away. This is the real costly welfare nobody wants to talk about.

For those who conflate capitalism with real laissez faire, I don't, if your idea of what we have is the capitalism you support, you should be thankful to Obama for actually saving the capitalism you love. But like those such as Professor Wolfe who I would have other disagreements with, I do think he and others are correct that this form of capitalism is dying and the debt load is on method to try and save it to at least kind the can down the road to the next generation. Once it does implode, what replaces it is hard to say at this time. The growing black and gray markets, as a market anarchist these are markets I fully support, who use open source and peer to peer share economy, this has my fascination and interests for the moment.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Did you hear General Mattis response to the lgbt question by congress. Sounds like were going back to don't ask don't tell. Who gives a flying friend-ck about your personal life as long as your combat ready. Keep it to yourself soldier!

That's not what I got out of his statements at all. Not that it matters.

Not gonna happen no matter what mad dog says. No one cares anymore. Move on.