Bring on the concessions!!

[wide load]

I'm not saying Teamcare is bad insurance.
We are just angry that we were lied to
It's not comparable to what we had. The lying is reason JH lost every ups local that experienced the change.
If they were honest I think many would be more trusting of our leadership

Once the next contract is negotiated, you'll see improvements.

 

[PiedmontSteward]

And was provided for, in the IBT Constitution. But people still want to rehash the subject.





I still chuckle when you tell that story.

Even with the company plan (my Local had 2 providers) eye glasses were never 100%.

Unless, you picked from the "welfare rack".





Talked with a member who was complaining about having to go to Urgent Care instead of

the ER, because he wasn't "felling good". And I apologize if this seems harsh....

But the guy is morbidly obese, and doesn't seem to use any of his dental benefits.

That's just being plain lazy.






It's funny....


TeamCare is good enough, for 1000's of other Teamsters.

But not good enough, for a small fraction of UPS members who feel they are more entitled.



-Bug-

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

On principal, I have no issues with TeamCare. I had serious issues with child wellness visits and immunizations not being covered but the plan now covers them. I don't have an issue with non-emergency ER visits not being 100% covered as going to the ER in lieu of an Urgent Care facility is a major cost issue facing all health care plans. I don't like having a deductible, but I'm also realistic. Thousands of young part-timers being rolled into our Taft-Hartley plan is better for everyone and will "mostly" take health care off the table for future negotiations (the only thing that's negotiated now is the amount of the company contribution to the plan; negotiating a reduction would amount to a non-starter). We would also be better covered -- strategically -- in a strike as the fund would continue coverage for members honoring the picket lines.

It's unfortunate that so much of the opposition to the current CBA coalesced around health care rather than other issues such as the four year progression (the company wanted two-tier wages for FT and that was the compromise, which I still disagree with), lack of solid language keeping 22.3's in the locals where they were created, and starting PT pay only being bumped to $10/hr (the turnover is a nightmare on the local union administrative side not to mention $10/hr for a union job being atrocious.)

 

[anHOURover]

-Bug-

Bug you are out of touch with the membership. Typical old Caucasian hofficer.
Ups pays more money than any other company into the teamsters. Big brown keep the lights on in the marble palace. Why should members be happy for taking less than we had yesterday? Maybe if you were honest with your sales pitch it would be different. It's a fact that your "idol" is at the end of his run. He's done very little for the lives of ups teamsters.
Big brown keeps making BBBBBBBILLIONS and you want to lie to us and want us to take concessions.


As always everything I post is FACTS!
FACT

 

[anHOURover]

-Bug-

Small fraction? = THOUSANDS of angry teamsters who almost took your job!!

Start caring about the membership.
We are up and awake !!
Get another pic autographed by your idol JH. He's not going to around much longer (if you know what I mean)
How's Rome ??

 

[wide load]

Bug you are out of touch with the membership. Typical old Caucasian hofficer.
Ups pays more money than any other company into the teamsters. Big brown keep the lights on in the marble palace. Why should members be happy for taking less than we had yesterday? Maybe if you were honest with your sales pitch it would be different. It's a fact that your "idol" is at the end of his run. He's done very little for the lives of ups teamsters.
Big brown keeps making BBBBBBBILLIONS and you want to lie to us and want us to take concessions.


As always everything I post is FACTS!
FACT

Aren't you glad they make billions?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

On principal, I have no issues with TeamCare. I had serious issues with child wellness visits and immunizations not being covered but the plan now covers them. I don't have an issue with non-emergency ER visits not being 100% covered as going to the ER in lieu of an Urgent Care facility is a major cost issue facing all health care plans. I don't like having a deductible, but I'm also realistic. Thousands of young part-timers being rolled into our Taft-Hartley plan is better for everyone and will "mostly" take health care off the table for future negotiations (the only thing that's negotiated now is the amount of the company contribution to the plan; negotiating a reduction would amount to a non-starter). We would also be better covered -- strategically -- in a strike as the fund would continue coverage for members honoring the picket lines.

It's unfortunate that so much of the opposition to the current CBA coalesced around health care rather than other issues such as the four year progression (the company wanted two-tier wages for FT and that was the compromise, which I still disagree with), lack of solid language keeping 22.3's in the locals where they were created, and starting PT pay only being bumped to $10/hr (the turnover is a nightmare on the local union administrative side not to mention $10/hr for a union job being atrocious.)

I have always appreciated your fair, and balanced observations.

Bug you are out of touch with the membership. Typical old Caucasian hofficer.

Did you really.... just call me a racist ??

THOUSANDS of angry teamsters who almost took your job!!

I wasn't running for an IBT position.


Lets see, how the newly elected TDU VP's.... handle their job.

At least 2 of them, never leave their Local Union hall.


8:00am until 4:00pm.

Thats how they roll.... as "wanna be" Teamsters.

Pfft.



-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

"Out of touch old white guys" are Republicans, not (necessarily) racists.

 

[HBGPreloader]

Ok you win, give me your address so I can help you fill out your ballot.

Thanks, but you should be more concerned with the 85% who couldn't figure out or didn't care to vote.

 

[anHOURover]

Very hha

Aren't you glad they make billions?

very happy they make it !!
I'm just unhappy at being lied to by the out of touch old Caucasian white guys running the locals and the marble palace

 

[Inthegame]

Very hha

very happy they make it !!
I'm just unhappy at being lied to by the out of touch old Caucasian white guys running the locals and the marble palace

But yet you supported the "old Caucasian white guys" Fred Z and Tim S?

 

[anHOURover]

But yet you supported the "old Caucasian white guys" Fred Z and Tim S?

I'd support Mickey Mouse over the old Caucasian white guys that lied to me.
Speaking of old Caucasian white guys...
How's Rome?? In jail yet ??

 

[10 point]

It's funny....


TeamCare is good enough, for 1000's of other Teamsters.

But not good enough, for a small fraction of UPS members who feel they are more entitled.



-Bug-

The TeamCare plan was not as good as what many of us had. Of course, we were offered the C6 plan at first to make the "Mirrored" plan look better. Not everyone in brown is ignorant, pompous, or "entitled" in their mindset. We just didn't like the way it was handled and if you feel better calling us ups members condescending labels go for it.

It appears to me that your comments are equally high-minded.

Have you ever delivered 225 stops at peak out of a sardine can?
How about sweating yourself silly in the back of the can at 120-130°friend looking for yet another lost or "not found" package or freezing for ten to eleven hours in the winter at -5°friend with wind chill at -40°?

I don't appreciate pompous onlookers who have never done our job but cast demeaning jabs at what the rest of the world sees as the hardest working delivery drivers on the road.

Maybe you should walk it back until you've done our jobs.

Help me out.

~10~

 

[10 point]

Sorry, I'm just tired of the cheap shots.

We're hiring drivers.

get a brown uniform and hit the road.

You can see how entitled we are.

 

[10 point]

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

On principal, I have no issues with TeamCare. I had serious issues with child wellness visits and immunizations not being covered but the plan now covers them. I don't have an issue with non-emergency ER visits not being 100% covered as going to the ER in lieu of an Urgent Care facility is a major cost issue facing all health care plans. I don't like having a deductible, but I'm also realistic. Thousands of young part-timers being rolled into our Taft-Hartley plan is better for everyone and will "mostly" take health care off the table for future negotiations (the only thing that's negotiated now is the amount of the company contribution to the plan; negotiating a reduction would amount to a non-starter). We would also be better covered -- strategically -- in a strike as the fund would continue coverage for members honoring the picket lines.

It's unfortunate that so much of the opposition to the current CBA coalesced around health care rather than other issues such as the four year progression (the company wanted two-tier wages for FT and that was the compromise, which I still disagree with), lack of solid language keeping 22.3's in the locals where they were created, and starting PT pay only being bumped to $10/hr (the turnover is a nightmare on the local union administrative side not to mention $10/hr for a union job being atrocious.)

For the record many of us protested and fought against the other issues on top of the TeamCare unknown.

They tried to put "safety, methods and service" issues into Art 17 as well.

It wasn't just the unknown issues of TeamCare that had many of us negative on the CBA. And we had no idea that locals in our state were on the C6 plan. No idea. We thought everyone was on the same level of quality healthcare that we have had for years.

I guess that makes us "entitled". BS

We had a right to question the healthcare issue after all the other garbage was served up with it. They shouldn't blame us because we can read.

 

[Catatonic]

A site for truck drivers yet we need sensitivity training? Lmfao

Well, all you truck drivers think management needs sensitivity training ... maybe it's a two-way street.

 

[10 point]

Sorry, I'm just tired of the cheap shots.

We're hiring drivers.

get a brown uniform and hit the road.

You can see how entitled we are.

I said "Suit up. Let's go".
Did that upset someone?

Try this: get a brown uniform and hit the road.

Try to keep this in perspective. Please.

 

[wide load]

Well, all you truck drivers think management needs sensitivity training ... maybe it's a two-way street.

You guys need something, sensitivity doesn't come to mind.

 

[542thruNthru]

For someone who has said many times he doesn't like coming into the union forum. I sure see your name a lot lately Mr. Monkey Butt.

Stirring the pot in the other forums getting boring for you.

 

[Catatonic]

For someone who has said many times he doesn't like coming into the union forum. I sure see your name a lot lately Mr. Monkey Butt.

Stirring the pot in the other forums getting boring for you.

I only come into Union Forum when a member who can't control themselves (they're in Moderation Queue) posts something that catches my attention.

 

[Catatonic]

You guys need something, sensitivity doesn't come to mind.

I don't know man!
Most drivers on here seem to care about how they are treated by management.

BTW, I've been retire almost 4 years.