California increase in minimum wage

[UnionStrong]

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason they don't stay long is because they can't make a living doing that type of work?
So answer this question; Should they not be able to earn a decent wage during the time they are there? If they did then perhaps they might be able to stay longer.

Yup, that’s the reason. Lol. Spoken like a true know nothing. It’s a shame you were never in a union, you may have learned something.

 

[bacha29]

I hope he gave you a napkin after you were done.

Another personal attack. If you think you're making a point....I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Now if you will excuse me. I have to write a public proposal whereby the borough sells it's non regulated municipal authority
to a regulated public traded water and sewage company.
Going forward the absence of regulated water and sewage rates leaves bill paying customers in a difficult position.

 

[UnionStrong]

Another personal attack. If you think you're making a point....I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Now if you will excuse me. I have to write a public proposal whereby the borough sells it's non regulated municipal authority
to a regulated public traded water and sewage company.
Going forward the absence of regulated water and sewage rates leaves bill paying customers in a difficult position.

Poor baby.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Another personal attack. If you think you're making a point....I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Now if you will excuse me. I have to write a public proposal whereby the borough sells it's non regulated municipal authority
to a regulated public traded water and sewage company.
Going forward the absence of regulated water and sewage rates leaves bill paying customers in a difficult position.

You’re the one talking about fellatio I was being polite. I just meant getting on your knees and begging.

 

[bacha29]

Yup, that’s the reason. Lol. Spoken like a true know nothing. It’s a shame you were never in a union, you may have learned something.

Wrong....again. I and I've told you this before. I belonged to the IBEW and the UFCW And during my time in the UFCW I was both a union steward and help negotiate a new labor contract.
Now why can't you understand that? Perhaps it's because I'm using words with more than four letters in them which in turn may make comprehension more difficult for you. If so, let me know. I'm here to help you.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Wrong....again. I and I've told you this before. I belonged to the IBEW and the UFCW And during my time in the UFCW I was both a union steward and help negotiate a new labor contract.
Now why can't you understand that? Perhaps it's because I'm using words with more than four letters in them which in turn may make comprehension more difficult for you. If so, let me know. I'm here to help you.

And if you were in fact, in a union, you never understood you were not THE union. Narcissism is difficult to overcome, I understand.

 

[UnionStrong]

You’re the one talking about fellatio I was being polite. I just meant getting on your knees and begging.

 

[bacha29]

You’re the one talking about fellatio I was being polite. I just meant getting on your knees and begging.

Wrong I said I DIDN"T give one about what you said.
Now since you're such a good union man and therefore should be able to answer my questions:
Why do your unions have a near zero presence in the food and hospitality industry given that it's one of if not the fastest growing segment of the economy? Why do you refuse to answer?

You keep saying that they don't stay long.....Now is it because they couldn't live on the wages being paid?
And during their time there long or short should they not be paid a living wage?
Should those who work in that industry be relegated to a permanent economic underclass working starvation wages serving you your meals at whatever price you want to pay?

 

[bacha29]

And if you were in fact, in a union, you never understood you were not THE union. Narcissism is difficult to overcome, I understand.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are the words I'm using too big for you to understand?
A labor union is ME and every other person who belongs, pays dues and materially participates in the representation of the labor force has in it's membership. Damn poor union man you appear to be.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Answer the question? What have I in your previous post done to harm the working class?....ANSWER THE QUESTION.

My question is why do your unions have a near non presence in the food and hospitality industry? ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Reeeeeee
ANSWER THE QUESTION
Reeeeeee

Lol

 

[Thebrownblob]

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are the words I'm using too big for you to understand?
A labor union is ME and every other person who belongs, pays dues and materially participates in the representation of the labor force has in it's membership. Damn poor union man you appear to be.

Well, I’ll spend half the night worrying about what you think of me and my allegiance, and commitment to my Union brothers and sisters

 

[Thebrownblob]

Wrong I said I DIDN"T give one about what you said.
Now since you're such a good union man and therefore should be able to answer my questions:
Why do your unions have a near zero presence in the food and hospitality industry given that it's one of if not the fastest growing segment of the economy? Why do you refuse to answer?

You keep saying that they don't stay long.....Now is it because they couldn't live on the wages being paid?
And during their time there long or short should they not be paid a living wage?
Should those who work in that industry be relegated to a permanent economic underclass working starvation wages serving you your meals at whatever price you want to pay?

Jesus, are you this ignorant? The jobs you’re talking about are generally young kids, who have no desire to stay in that industry, their whole career. Any of the other jobs like meatcutters, and things of that nature that people stay in and make a career out of have quite a bit of unionization. We actually represent a bakery with several hundred members at my local.

I suspect California would rather not have unions or else they would’ve passed more laws making it much easier to join a union. But the fact is government end up not liking unions just as much as anybody because they lose control when labor has a lot of power.

This way California can pretend they’ve given something important to these workers when in fact they have not. They have been lulled into a false sense of winning something when in fact, they will shortly see that that $20 an hour didn’t buy them any more than $15 an hour did. And they still don’t have any of the benefits of being in the union.

 

[UnionStrong]

Wrong....again. I and I've told you this before. I belonged to the IBEW and the UFCW And during my time in the UFCW I was both a union steward and help negotiate a new labor contract.
Now why can't you understand that? Perhaps it's because I'm using words with more than four letters in them which in turn may make comprehension more difficult for you. If so, let me know. I'm here to help you.

IBEW is a worthless union. No where near the bargaining power of the Teamsters. You obviously were never a steward where men worked.

 

[bacha29]

Jesus, are you this ignorant? The jobs you’re talking about are generally young kids, who have no desire to stay in that industry, their whole career. Any of the other jobs like meatcutters, and things of that nature that people stay in and make a career out of have quite a bit of unionization. We actually represent a bakery with several hundred members at my local.

I suspect California would rather not have unions or else they would’ve passed more laws making it much easier to join a union. But the fact is government end up not liking unions just as much as anybody because they lose control when labor has a lot of power.

This way California can pretend they’ve given something important to these workers when in fact they have not. They have been lulled into a false sense of winning something when in fact, they will shortly see that that $20 an hour didn’t buy them any more than $15 an hour did. And they still don’t have any of the benefits of being in the union.

California and you said this yourself is a liberal state So now you're telling me that its anti union? (lol). So you're telling me that it's all kids? Look again. The US is today a service economy and it's not an all kid workforce....trust me.
So I'll you why I believe you don't see unions around much in the food and hospitality industry or the private sector as a whole

Years ago a union could gain 3-4K or more new members organizing a single factory location. Worth the risks and the effort especially when you had a fair number of liberal Democrat appointed judges on federal benches.

Today work forces are a fraction of the size . In addition there were only 2 Democratic administrations during the years 1980-2016 and both were political minority for 6 of the 8 years they served. And since when did you last see a pro organized labor judge being appointed to a federal bench by a Republican administration?

As a result labor unions today know that they have to be very careful when it comes to organizing today's smaller workforces and weigh the risks carefully.

It can ill afford to have to hoark up millions in court awarded damages resulting from a failed attempt to organize 40 people.

 

[bacha29]

IBEW is a worthless union. No where near the bargaining power of the Teamsters. You obviously were never a steward where men worked.

No labor union is more or less worthless than another. It's only as effective as the resolve of the people who comprise it.

 

[vantexan]

Artificial intelligence will render many low skill jobs unnecessary regardless of how low low skill job wages go. You live in California and you don't want to pay somebody a living wage to do jobs that positively impacts the quality of your life.....STAY HOME...Cook your own meals.

Then why pump in millions of unskilled, no English illegals when we know A.I. and automation are coming?

 

[bacha29]

Then why pump in millions of unskilled, no English illegals when we know A.I. and automation are coming?

Isn't America a Christian nation? Aren't you a professing Christian? Isn't there something in your religion's holy book regarding taking care of the poor, sick and hungry? Or are you one of today's Christian Nationalists whose ideology is entirely self serving?

 

[vantexan]

Isn't America a Christian nation? Aren't you a professing Christian? Isn't there something in your religion's holy book regarding taking care of the poor, sick and hungry? Or are you one of today's Christian Nationalists whose ideology is entirely self serving?

We've gone over this. Why not take in billions of people then? Wouldn't it be better to build their economies where they're at? If you destroy the American economy which is the major driver of the world economy aren't you going to cause misery elsewhere? You're always quick to impugn other's motives but have you ever thought through the consequences of your ideology? We have plenty of poor, sick, and hungry already. What happens to our poor who have to compete with newcomers who'll work for less? You never miss a chance to attack Christians but it's a very Christian thing to help others help themselves. Not be dependent.

 

[bacha29]

We've gone over this. Why not take in billions of people then? Wouldn't it be better to build their economies where they're at? If you destroy the American economy which is the major driver of the world economy aren't you going to cause misery elsewhere? You're always quick to impugn other's motives but have you ever thought through the consequences of your ideology? We have plenty of poor, sick, and hungry already. What happens to our poor who have to compete with newcomers who'll work for less? You never miss a chance to attack Christians but it's a very Christian thing to help others help themselves. Not be dependent.

This is exactly what I've been trying to tell you for a long time Walls are stationary objects. People will always find ways over, under and around them.....The reason they are coming here has three basic causes.
1. Overpopulation: Not enough resources to feed, clothe, house, educate
2. Climate change. An opinion from qualified individuals. The closer you get to the Equator the more extreme the climate
change, Severe droughts, cyclones, severe heat waves. All serving to create changes in the patterns of food production.
3. Struggle for power and control on the part of gangs and drug lords due to the absence of a central government. Haiti is just
one example.

 

[vantexan]

This is exactly what I've been trying to tell you for a long time Walls are stationary objects. People will always find ways over, under and around them.....The reason they are coming here has three basic causes.
1. Overpopulation: Not enough resources to feed, clothe, house, educate
2. Climate change. An opinion from qualified individuals. The closer you get to the Equator the more extreme the climate
change, Severe droughts, cyclones, severe heat waves. All serving to create changes in the patterns of food production.
3. Struggle for power and control on the part of gangs and drug lords due to the absence of a central government. Haiti is just
one example.

Haiti is the only real example in this hemisphere. El Salvador cleaned up their act. And everywhere we built a solid wall the crossings were greatly reduced. The wall allows the Border Patrol time to repel crossers. And the population in many countries is dropping. Seriously, do you want a billion people in the U.S.?