California increase in minimum wage

[DriveInDriveOut]

I'm sure the thousands of people that have been laid off because of this Democrat policy are thrilled.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I'm sure the thousands of people that have been laid off because of this Democrat policy are thrilled.

Probably not as “thrilled” as the thousands more that are coming in the next few years.

 

[UnionStrong]

Because I started at the minimum wage of $3.25/hr in high school and acquired a couple skills that would allow me not to be stuck in a minimum wage job the rest of my life. Paying a $20/hr minimum wage for entry level jobs in the vast majority of California is not going to be getting anyone off the government programs. You are one delusional poster. It would blow your little panties off your bare ass if you knew how much it took to live in parts of CA and be free of government assistance. This ain't the backwoods, corn cob pipe smoking area that you live in, where $20/hr is living high on the hog.

Well said…

 

[bacha29]

Because I started at the minimum wage of $3.25/hr in high school and acquired a couple skills that would allow me not to be stuck in a minimum wage job the rest of my life. Paying a $20/hr minimum wage for entry level jobs in the vast majority of California is not going to be getting anyone off the government programs. You are one delusional poster. It would blow your little panties off your bare ass if you knew how much it took to live in parts of CA and be free of government assistance. This ain't the backwoods, corn cob pipe smoking area that you live in, where $20/hr is living high on the hog.

What makes you and the rest of the people on here different from those people? In at least one regard?..... Nothing. You're all trying to get the best pay possible for your labor. What do you think makes those people any different?

What makes that $40+ and hour possible for UPS brown shirts?.....Legislation.
What makes that $20 an hour possible for certain fast food workers?.....Legislation.

Those two labor pools simply succeeded in getting the rule of law behind them.

Today, teachers, cops, nurses at all levels. pro athletes all have on thing in common.....They stuck together and using the courts and the rule of law to their advantage they have what they have today. And in doing so what have they achieved?

They've set the market for their line of work.

 

[59 Dano]

Perfect example. People either too lazy to cook for themselves or too dumb to know how. They want somebody to do that for them....and do it for nothing.

So your mindset is that fast food patrons are either lazy or dumb. You know who usually has that attitude? The most incompetent of fast food workers.

 

[59 Dano]

So how do you squander a record surplus? Are you the California state auditor general?
I don't have time for this. Two hours from now I will testify in front of the township auditors and supervisors regarding a proposed hiring of a new township manager, I don't have nor do I want the time to sit on my ass all day and watch Fox News.

You mean you get to go to a public meeting and have a couple of minutes to speak your opinion, just like anyone else.

Not that I wouldn't pay good money to watch!

 

[Thebrownblob]

What makes you and the rest of the people on here different from those people? In at least one regard?..... Nothing. You're all trying to get the best pay possible for your labor. What do you think makes those people any different?

What makes that $40+ and hour possible for UPS brown shirts?.....Legislation.
What makes that $20 an hour possible for certain fast food workers?.....Legislation.

Those two labor pools simply succeeded in getting the rule of law behind them.

Today, teachers, cops, nurses at all levels. pro athletes all have on thing in common.....They stuck together and using the courts and the rule of law to their advantage they have what they have today. And in doing so what have they achieved?

They've set the market for their line of work.

Lol pretending being in a union that has some government protection, and the government straight up giving you the raise is a really big stretch my friend. . And in case you didn’t know, it’s quite a bit harder for a union to “negotiate” with an employer than for the government to “force” employers.

 

[bacha29]

Lol pretending being in a union that has some government protection, and the government straight up giving you the raise is a really big stretch my friend. . And in case you didn’t know, it’s quite a bit harder for a union to “negotiate” with an employer than for the government to “force” employers.

You really don't get it do you? It first required the passage of ground breaking new legislation before workers had the right to form a labor union.

I'm shocked. You claim to be a solid you man. The only reason UPS is a union today is due to legislation that backed their attempt to form a union.

If as you seem to claim that it was achieved through other means then how else were they LEGALLY allowed to form a labor union?

 

[Thebrownblob]

You really don't get it do you? It first required the passage of ground breaking new legislation before workers had the right to form a labor union.

I'm shocked. You claim to be a solid you man. The only reason UPS is a union today is due to legislation that backed their attempt to form a union.

If as you seem to claim that it was achieved through other means then how else were they LEGALLY allowed to form a labor union?

You don’t seem to get it do you? The legislation unions was great. For a union, gaining a contract is hard, regardless of the legislation, and sometimes in spite of some legislation. Good union contracts move people into the middle-class..

Government Legislation forcing, every employer to pay a certain amount doesn’t really do anything to move people into the middle class. All you did was raise the amount that is now considered working poor. And cost a lot of people their jobs.

If you want more middle-class make it easier to join and form unions and employers to stop dragging their feet in contract negotiations.

 

[bacha29]

So your mindset is that fast food patrons are either lazy or dumb. You know who usually has that attitude? The most incompetent of fast food workers.

There you are taking pieces out of context as you always try to do.
Once again the people who are going to receive the new minimum wage are not doing anything their customers can't do themselves.....So you tell me.....what do people do when they for one reason another are not able to access fast food establishments or home delivery of precooked meals. They don't all have their mother to good their meals for them like your mom does.....BTW....I hope you get your mom something nice for Mother's Day.

 

[Thebrownblob]

There you are taking pieces out of context as you always try to do.
Once again the people who are going to receive the new minimum wage are not doing anything their customers can't do themselves.....So you tell me.....what do people do when they for one reason another are not able to access fast food establishments or home delivery of precooked meals. They don't all have their mother to good their meals for them like your mom does.....BTW....I hope you get your mom something nice for Mother's Day.

Spare us the idea that you don’t purposely take things out of context like you did my previous post about government forcing a minimum wage and people joining a union and gaining a hard fought for contract being different.

The very fact that you’ve never been a union member and never negotiated a contract and never helped negotiate a contract it’s pretty evident you do not understand how wildly different those things are.

 

[bacha29]

You don’t seem to get it do you? The legislation unions was great. For a union, gaining a contract is hard, regardless of the legislation, and sometimes in spite of some legislation. Good union contracts move people into the middle-class..

Government Legislation forcing, every employer to pay a certain amount doesn’t really do anything to move people into the middle class. All you did was raise the amount that is now considered working poor. And cost a lot of people their jobs.

If you want more middle-class make it easier to join and form unions and employers to stop dragging their feet in contract negotiations.

With out the legislation you wouldn't have even had the LEGAL opportunity to even negotiate a contract hard or easy.
Just as UPS and the Teamsters used legislation to allow them to negotiate a contract that neither it or the union itself without legislation wouldn't even existed today.....California fast food workers at some establishments are also using legislation to improve their pay and quality of life and daily work experience just as your union does for you.

Now you tell me, just what the hell is the difference between you and them?

 

[Thebrownblob]

With out the legislation you wouldn't have even had the LEGAL opportunity to even negotiate a contract hard or easy.
Just as UPS and the Teamsters used legislation to allow them to negotiate a contract that neither it or the union itself without legislation wouldn't even existed today.....California fast food workers at some establishments are also using legislation to improve their pay and quality of life and daily work experience just as your union does for you.

Now you tell me, just what the hell is the difference between you and them?

Did they join a union fight for a contract and have skin in the game ?

Legislation for a Minimum wage is not a collective bargaining agreement.. it is an effective raising of the amount it takes to be working poor. It did not help the middle class and will not help become middle-class

You just insured that people make more money and have the same buying power and have the same or worse as social economic status.

Not even remotely like a collective bargaining agreement that includes all kinds of things like vacations, retirement, work rules, and of course better wages.

Are you really this inept at figuring things out?

 

[bacha29]

Spare us the idea that you don’t purposely take things out of context like you did my previous post about government forcing a minimum wage and people joining a union and gaining a hard fought for contract being different.

The very fact that you’ve never been a union member and never negotiated a contract and never helped negotiate a contract it’s pretty evident you do not understand how wildly different those things are.

Wrong Don't give me your tired BS about me never belonging to a union I once had cards from IBEW and UFCW and help negotiate a contract while in the UFCW. I told you that before.

You keep deflecting or in denial. You keep uselessly coming back again and again about you and your mighty Teamsters union but one inescapable fact you simply cannot deny.....and that is without legislation legally granting you the opportunity to form a union neither your union, your union contract and perhaps you yourself would have ever set foot on UPS property.

All those people have done in California is just exactly as you have done and that is to use legislation to gain a foothold on the doorstep to prosperity just as your mighty union has done for you.

So you tell me....just what makes you better than them? Is it something your big ego is having difficulty coming to terms with?

And don't just blow if off with marking it up as "funny" or something similar....try answering the questions.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Wrong Don't give me your tired BS about me never belonging to a union I once had cards from IBEW and UFCW and help negotiate a contract while in the UFCW. I told you that before.

You keep deflecting or in denial. You keep uselessly coming back again and again about you and your mighty Teamsters union but one inescapable fact you simply cannot deny.....and that is without legislation legally granting you the opportunity to form a union neither your union, your union contract and perhaps you yourself would have ever set foot on UPS property.

All those people have done in California is just exactly as you have done and that is to use legislation to gain a foothold on the doorstep to prosperity just as your mighty union has done for you.

So you tell me....just what makes you better than them? Is it something your big ego is having difficulty coming to terms with?

And don't just blow if off with marking it up as "funny" or something similar....try answering the questions.

Nothing makes us better than them. What makes them worse off is believing fools like you who has sold them a bill of good that will do them no good at all.

Your attitude towards the poor is disgusting. It’s a small man, such as yourself to hide behind legislators and legislation only to get what they want. You’re too cowardly to fight yourself. And you’re too foolish to understand you have doomed the working poor to continue to be working poor. No contractual benefits, no contractual raises, no contractual retirement, no contractual healthcare. No union work rules.
just a dead-end job. For some, and many out of work Completely. Congratulations on nothing.

And as usual you make the same mistake, as always, pretending I think the Teamsters union leadership is what is mighty and powerful. it’s their members that are mighty and powerful. Just like any Union it’s not the people that run it.

 

[bacha29]

Nothing makes us better than them. What makes them worse off is believing a fool like you who has sold them a bill of good that will do them no good at all.

Your attitude towards the poor is disgusting. It’s a small man, such as yourself to hide behind legislators and legislation only to get what they want. You’re too cowardly to fight yourself. And you’re too foolish to understand you have doomed the working poor to continue to be working poor. No contractual benefits, no contractual raises, no contractual retirement just a dead-end job. For some, and many out of work Completely. Congratulations on nothing.

And as usual you make the same mistake, as always, pretending I think the Teamsters union leadership is what is mighty and powerful. it’s their members that are mighty and powerful. Just like any Union it’s not the people that run it.

That's the mindset of today's MAGA conservative for you. Any legislation that provides benefit and improves the quality of life for a MAGA....that in the mind of a MAGA is good legislation, good for them and therefore good for the nation as a whole. Now any legislation that for one reason or another fails to benefit a MAGA is bad policy and not good for the nation.

And so I've doomed the working glass huh? Just what have I done? And BTW just exactly where in the private sector has your union been lately?

Well let me remind you of the conversation and I told you this before I had with my state's AFL-CIO president. I jumped on him about the fact that the union's have a very strong presence in my state's public employee sector but a near non presence in the private sector.

Pressing him for an answer he finally had the come out it admit it.....The reason you don't see them is because today private sector employers have far more numerous and effective countermeasures including legal measures such as lawsuits and injunctions that could cost labor unions a ton of money, money they may not have and given that nationwide only 12 % of all workers are represented by a union it's easy to be why unions today are hesitant.

Remember the California minimum wage law is state legislation only. The legislation that provided protections to you and your union is federal legislation.

So the real question is.....why did this group of workers have to seek the help and protection of the California legislature in order to gain some relief from their impossible to live on wages?

The answer is simple. Your no longer powerful labor unions were nowhere to be seen.... And that is NOT my fault.

 

[vantexan]

That's the mindset of today's MAGA conservative for you. Any legislation that provides benefit and improves the quality of life for a MAGA....that in the mind of a MAGA is good legislation, good for them and therefore good for the nation as a whole. Now any legislation that for one reason or another fails to benefit a MAGA is bad policy and not good for the nation.

And so I've doomed the working glass huh? Just what have I done? And BTW just exactly where in the private sector has your union been lately?

Well let me remind you of the conversation and I told you this before I had with my state's AFL-CIO president. I jumped on him about the fact that the union's have a very strong presence in my state's public employee sector but a near non presence in the private sector.

Pressing him for an answer he finally had the come out it admit it.....The reason you don't see them is because today private sector employers have far more numerous and effective countermeasures including legal measures such as lawsuits and injunctions that could cost labor unions a ton of money, money they may not have and given that nationwide only 12 % of all workers are represented by a union it's easy to be why unions today are hesitant.

Remember the California minimum wage law is state legislation only. The legislation that provided protections to you and your union is federal legislation.

So the real question is.....why did this group of workers have to seek the help and protection of the California legislature in order to gain some relief from their impossible to live on wages?

The answer is simple. Your no longer powerful labor unions were nowhere to be seen.... And that is NOT my fault.

So the government gets involved. The restaurants will have to raise prices to cover the additional costs. And/or automate as much as possible to keep prices competitive and low enough to keep customers. Which will cost jobs. You always applaud government intervention but as usual the government makes matters worse. When someone loses their fast-food job, and can't find another because companies are trying to survive these government mandates, do you think that person will be thrilled with the $20hr pay raise?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

That's the mindset of today's MAGA conservative for you. Any legislation that provides benefit and improves the quality of life for a MAGA....that in the mind of a MAGA is good legislation, good for them and therefore good for the nation as a whole. Now any legislation that for one reason or another fails to benefit a MAGA is bad policy and not good for the nation.

Blah blah MAGA blah blah blah
broken record
GMAFB

 

[MAKAVELI]

It's hilarious that the Republicans on this board think that having no government mandated min wage is going to magically bring wages and living standards up. But yeah it's ok to have a union demand higher wages and benefits. UPS got that fat contract but union members look the other way when it comes to layoffs and cuts as a result of that fat contract.

 

[UnionStrong]

It's hilarious that the Republicans on this board think that having no government mandated min wage is going to magically bring wages and living standards up. But yeah it's ok to have a union demand higher wages and benefits. UPS got that fat contract but union members look the other way when it comes to layoffs and cuts as a result of that fat contract.