Can they do this?

[BUCN85]

Right now our center is in desperate need of drivers believe it or not. We have one driver that has just started his training. But there are days where our center will bring in a driver from 2 different centers. (And one of these centers is under a different local). And these drivers work over him. Now this doesn't effect me at all. I was just curious if this is allowed only because we need drivers so bad. Yet the driver in training isn't getting to work.

 

[superballs63]

Should they do it? No. Can they, yes. I'd say he should grieve it, but while trying to qualify it's best not to create any waves

 

[Richard Harrow]

It is allowed. A non-seniority employee cannot displace a seniority employee.

 

[BUCN85]

Wow that kinda sucks then to be in his position. Not really getting a fair shot only working 2 days a week. Oh well I guess

 

[Lead Belly]

Call your business agent.

 

[BUCN85]

Call your business agent.

Not really a big deal to me. I was just curious about this issue.

 

[undies]

It sure sounds legal. If the driver from another building is laid off and full time, he gets to displace any part time driver from their work. Get your facts together before you complain!

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Right now our center is in desperate need of drivers believe it or not. We have one driver that has just started his training. But there are days where our center will bring in a driver from 2 different centers. (And one of these centers is under a different local). And these drivers work over him. Now this doesn't effect me at all. I was just curious if this is allowed only because we need drivers so bad. Yet the driver in training isn't getting to work.

Some locals have agreements with the company that allows building to borrow people from another. Sometimes its not even a local thing but maybe a deal that only applies to certain buildings within a local. Those drivers that are helping your building shouldn't be working over your drivers in yours unless they are laid off full-timers bumping into your building. If your local even allows that. When my center is short of drivers they just pile the work from the driverless routes onto those that are working. If it's emergency where the center is behind because of bad weather we end up getting management employees from other areas that weren't affected instead of actual drivers.

 

[Lead Belly]

Not really a big deal to me. I was just curious about this issue.

It's always best to start with your business agent.

 

[TooTechie]

Well start with Stewart and if Stewart isnt helpful then go to the BA.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It is allowed. A non-seniority employee cannot displace a seniority employee.

Did you miss the part where one of the drivers being brought in is not even in their local?

 

[Richard Harrow]

Did you miss the part where one of the drivers being brought in is not even in their local?

Not relevant. A card-carrying member of the union w/ seniority has the right to work. An employee in their 30 days does not.

I imagine this has happened before near me in NYC, where there are two locals within the 5 boroughs.

EDIT: also, don't forget those four magic words in the contract that serve as a trump card for the company: "needs of the business".

 

[BUCN85]

It sure sounds legal. If the driver from another building is laid off and full time, he gets to displace any part time driver from their work. Get your facts together before you complain!

Like I said before I can care less. I was just asking a simple question for general knowledge or like you say " getting my facts together"

 

[onehandsolo]

It happens in my center all the time. The thing is in my 20 plus years as a driver 50% of the time we have been tight on staffing. It is always something basically __it happens.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

They can displace full time. Only if the route is designated as a training route. In my tiny center. We have 2.

 

[Wally]

We got around 15 training routes according to management. They were trying to put "training route" on every one that went up for bid.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

We have 5 loops---each has a training route. They normally use the same route to train all new drivers as it has a good commercial/residential mix with a lot of pickups.

 

[By The Book]

Some locals have agreements with the company that allows building to borrow people from another. Sometimes its not even a local thing but maybe a deal that only applies to certain buildings within a local. Those drivers that are helping your building shouldn't be working over your drivers in yours unless they are laid off full-timers bumping into your building. If your local even allows that. When my center is short of drivers they just pile the work from the driverless routes onto those that are working. If it's emergency where the center is behind because of bad weather we end up getting management employees from other areas that weren't affected instead of actual drivers.

Do these management take an hourly with them?

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Do these management take an hourly with them?

Negative. In almost every case every single hourly that wanted to work was already being used. Except for one time and grievances were filled.

 

[By The Book]

Negative. In almost every case every single hourly that wanted to work was already being used. Except for one time and grievances were filled.

I was thinking a part time employee, who was waiting to go driving.