Chick Fil A

[moreluck]

I doubt it. Business sometimes require discretionary speaking.

I disagree......by not answering they would get more tongues wagging and wondering why they didn't answer.

(Just like the tax forms with Romney........first thing mentioned is what's he hiding? Same thing!)

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I doubt it. Business sometimes require discretionary speaking.

Think about what it would be like if CEO's actually spoke their minds.

 

[over9five]

Except for the millions Chick-Fil-A has donated to anti-gay organizations.

Again, his organization can donate to whomever they want, but it's disingenuous to say that he isn't trying to suppress gay rights.

Oh the horror! Look at the horrible hate groups that article mentions that Chick-Fil-A donates to:

- Marriage & Family Legacy Fund
- Fellowship of Christian Athletes
- National Christian Foundation
- Focus on the Family
- Eagle Forum
- Exodus International
- Family Research Council


Give me a break!

 

[roadrunner2012]

Read this, report back:
David Badash: Chick-fil-A: 5 Reasons It Isn't What You Think

 

[BrownArmy]

Give me a break!

Several of these organizations are actively campaigning against gay rights, marriage equality, and civil unions for homosexual couples who want the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

All I'm saying is that Chick-Fil-A is being disingenuous when it says that it doesn't discriminate against gays.

Give me a break.

 

[The Other Side]

Read this, report back:
David Badash: Chick-fil-A: 5 Reasons It Isn't What You Think

Excellent story. Makes it pretty clear.

Christians want to take over this country, and they are willing to use guns to get there... they would and could kill every non christian in this country if the rhetoric was strong enough.

Its no wonder todays americans dont really see them lasting over time, americans are becoming less and less involved with organized religion. All they do is preach hate.

Peace

TOS

 

[The Other Side]

Oh the horror! Look at the horrible hate groups that article mentions that Chick-Fil-A donates to:

- Marriage & Family Legacy Fund
- Fellowship of Christian Athletes
- National Christian Foundation
- Focus on the Family
- Eagle Forum
- Exodus International
- Family Research Council


Give me a break!

AS usual, you have no CLUE as to what these organizations are about, or what actions they have taken in the past or present.

Lets look at the Eagle Forum for example

Sodomy, Survival, and the Supremes: Lawrence v. Texas

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=+2]Sodomy, Survival, and the Supremes: Lawrence v. Texas[/SIZE][/FONT]

Virginia C. Armstrong, Ph.D., National Chairman, Court Watch Jessica Echard, Eagle Forum Intern I have taught college students for most of my life. If any of my graduating seniors had written a paper as poor as the U. S. Supreme Court's recent opinion invalidating the Texas sodomy law (as well as similar laws in 12 other states) in Lawrence v. Texas, that student would have received a grade of "friend" — only because there is no lower grade available. Along with Roe v. Wade (which legalized abortion in 1973), Lawrence is surely the worst decision the Supremes have ever made—the two cases indeed deserving Rick Scarborough's description of them as the "twin sisters of Hell." The horror of both Roe and Lawrence lies in their results as well as their "reasoning" (opinions). As to their results, these cases, more than any other two cases in American history, call into question the ability of America's culture and constitutional system to survive. As to their reasoning (a charitable description of the Court's opinions in both cases), they fail every legitimate standard of constitutional decision-making. Only a small portion of the egregious errors in the Lawrence majority's position can be enumerated here. [*]The Lawrence decision tramples state power, virtually ignoring the states' constitutionally-protected interest—even obligation—in protecting public health, safety, welfare and morality from the dangers of homosexual conduct. [*]Public Health and Safety: "Friend of the court" briefs offered extensive evidence that homosexual conduct is strongly correlated with vile diseases such as AIDS (for which the death rate is 100%), hepatitis B, syphilis, and a group of intestinal tract diseases known as "gay bowel syndrome". Lesbian conduct has become a focus of research more recently, but data already gathered show significant correlation between this behavior and a variety of STD's and infections [*]Public Morality: The Court also irrationally rejects the states' power/obligation to protect the public morality. The argument that "you can't legislate morality" is ridiculous . The truth is cogently expressed by a Kentucky Supreme Court Justice in the 1993 state case of Kentucky v. Wasson: "It is foolish and fruitless to ignore morality in our society and in our governmental function. Every political decision of consequence reflects a moral judgment." The Lawrence court also argues the hackneyed oxymoron that "Our obligation is . . . not to mandate our own moral code." But the entire decision reeks with the message that homosexual conduct is, at the least, acceptable and that the Texas law is "bad" — a "moral judgment," if there ever was one. [*]Public Welfare: Closely related is the state's power/obligation to educate the populace concerning health, safety, and morality. In briefs before the Court, several state Attorneys-General argued that "Even legislation that is largely symbolic and infrequently enforced (due to other salutary checks on government power, like the Fourth Amendment) has significant pedagogical value. Laws teach people what they should and should not do, based on the experiences of their elders." [*]The judicial destruction of a massive protective wall around public health, safety, morality, and welfare leaves America wide open for a further plunge backward into Sodom and Gomorrah. [*] Laws against bestiality, incest, sibling intermarriage, polygamy, prostitution, spousal abuse, drug use, etc. are likely to be buried in the Supremes' hurry to legitimize conduct which Sir William Blackstone referred to as of "a still greater malignity [than rape or incest], the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature." [*]Almost certain is an explosion of new laws granting to homosexuals rights such as marriage, adoption, employment benefits, employment opportunities, changed military discharge policies, etc. [*]These seismic changes in our constitutional and cultural landscape threaten the very existence of our civilization and its basic institutions—heterosexual marriage and the host of attendant legal rights/obligations, the church (if it opposes homosexual conduct), and the rule of law. Since Justice Sandra Day O'Connor is a central figure in the Sodomy Six, it seems that it is definitely time for her to retire and go home to the ranch. [*]The Sodomy Six and their liberal/libertine allies outside the Court hold irreconcilable positions on the Court's use of the rule of precedent. The libertines express horror at over-turning Roe because it is "settled law" (ignoring the fact that substantial portions of the decision have already been over-turned), but are ecstatic at over-turning Bowers, whose 17-year life span apparently doesn't qualify it as "settled law." [*]The Court's reading of previous cases and other historical data is sophomoric. The Court relies heavily on a generalized, non-specific "right to privacy" which has no constitutional nor historical ground. This "right" was created by the Court in 1965 in Griswold v. Connecticut. Furthermore, "private" conduct has immense public consequences, as noted above. [*] In view of the Supremes' scorch and burn policy toward millennia-old standards of documentary interpretation, on what grounds do the Sodomy Six base their decision? [*] Opines Justice Kennedy's majority opinion, "we think (not, "constitutional and historical standards require") that our laws and traditions in the past half century are of most relevance here." "[H]istory and tradition are the starting point but not in all cases the ending point of [a case such as this]." (English law punished sodomy at least as early as 1533; and in 1961, all 50 American states outlawed this deviancy.) TRANSLATION: "What we [the Court—or five members thereof] think, not what the Constitution says, governs. And we say, "forget millennia of judeo-Christian values, 600 years of English Common Law history, and all of American history because we want to create a constitutional right to sodomy. [*] Opines the Court majority, "The sweeping references [in Bowers]to the history of Western civilization and to Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards [opposing sodomy] did not take account of other authorities pointing in an opposite direction." TRANSLATION: "Other authorities" are non-American sources, whose inclusion in Lawrence is an unprecedented and frightening intrusion of globalism into the American constitutional system. These global "authorities" include the highly controversial 1957 Wolfenden Report published in England, and a decision made in the early 1980s by the European Court of Human Rights. The "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" promulgated by the United Nations in 1948 also specifically guarantees persons against "arbitrary interference with his privacy" (Article 12). The gay community exulted over Lawrence, seeing it as a landmark blow for unbridled licentiousness in America. Gay attorney Paul M. Smith, who argued to the Court on behalf of the homosexuals and the Lambda Legal Defense fund, declared "This is a new day for gay Americans." And Baltimore gay rights leader Anthony McCarthy eagerly described Lawrence as "probably the most significant civil rights case handed down in my lifetime" (McCarthy is 35). But moral America's position is aptly described by the Supreme Court's wordmeister, Antonin Scalia, who foresees "a massive disruption of the current social order." This disruption results from "a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda." Clearly, "the Court has taken sides in the culture war" and is "seemingly unaware that the attitudes of that [law profession] culture are not obviously 'mainstream.'"

 

[moreluck]

Several of these organizations are actively campaigning against gay rights, marriage equality, and civil unions for homosexual couples who want the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

All I'm saying is that Chick-Fil-A is being disingenuous when it says that it doesn't discriminate against gays.

Give me a break.

Then just about every Christian pastor in America is disingenuous according to you.
When Obama "evolved" a couple months ago.......did you notice the black pastors who wouldn't hear of it?

 

[over9five]

Read this, report back:
David Badash: Chick-fil-A: 5 Reasons It Isn't What You Think

Yeah, <yawn>, I'll read that over my lunch at Chick-Fil-A tomorrow.

 

[MrFedEx]

Wouldn't bother me either way.
This problem only occurred when the government got involved.

So, as long as it passes the Libertarian smell test (no government involved), it's OK? This is such a weak argument.

 

[The Other Side]

Oh the horror! Look at the horrible hate groups that article mentions that Chick-Fil-A donates to:

- Marriage & Family Legacy Fund
- Fellowship of Christian Athletes
- National Christian Foundation
- Focus on the Family
- Eagle Forum
- Exodus International
- Family Research Council


Give me a break!

Chick Fil A CEO Truet Cathy donates millions of dollars to anti gay groups seeking anti gay legislation. Every group in your list has been labeled a hate group by the SPLC (southern poverty law center)

Chick-Fil-A Donated Nearly $2 Million To Anti-Gay Groups In 2009 | Equality Matters

Chick Fil A is being used by the right wing as a "wedge" issue, coming forward to spark a religious awakening among the evangelicals so they can get them to the polls.

But, other than that, this effort to make these positions public has only resulted in blowback for chick fil A. Other than on monday, the store here in my town is empty.

It sits in our malls parking lot, and there are no long lines and the dinning area empty. Protesters are on the streets around the store and customers shying away from the place.

BRAVO! I say they have a right to their personal opinions, but keep them personal, once you make them public, then you can expect a public response.

If this hurts chick Fil A enough to force a few store closures, then Im all for it.

There are several lawsuits filed against this company for discrimination, and hopefully the courts will decide one way or the other if chick fil A are bigots.

peace

TOS

 

[BrownArmy]

Then just about every Christian pastor in America is disingenuous according to you.
When Obama "evolved" a couple months ago.......did you notice the black pastors who wouldn't hear of it?

I'm sure we're not talking about the same thing.

Chik-Fil-A, after the controversy over Dan Cathy's comments about marriage, said that they were not anti-gay.

In fact, the company donates millions of dollars to organizations that actively work toward denying equal rights for homosexuals.

I have no idea about 'every Christian pastor' in America, and I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama and his view toward gay marriage (my guess is that Obama's always supported gay marriage, but he was being a politician in the way he handled it...shocker).

In any case, I'm talking about Chik-Fil-A. Is there something I'm saying about Chik-Fil-A that you disagree with?

 

[moreluck]

I'm sure we're not talking about the same thing.

Chik-Fil-A, after the controversy over Dan Cathy's comments about marriage, said that they were not anti-gay.

In fact, the company donates millions of dollars to organizations that actively work toward denying equal rights for homosexuals.

I have no idea about 'every Christian pastor' in America, and I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama and his view toward gay marriage (my guess is that Obama's always supported gay marriage, but he was being a politician in the way he handled it...shocker).

In any case, I'm talking about Chik-Fil-A. Is there something I'm saying about Chik-Fil-A that you disagree with?

Yes, people are free to campaign against something they are against You said several organizations are against gay rights. They are allowed to be. You may not like it.....too bad. You are free to campagn the other way.

 

[moreluck]

Wednesday's support = peaceful
Friday's kiss-in = hateful

Tea Party = peaceful
Occupy movement= not so peaceful

It's an observation. Why are the left so angry and nasty ?

 

[wkmac]

Historical look at the institution of marriage.

“Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself.”

Robert Green Ingersoll

 

[trplnkl]

Several of these organizations are actively campaigning against gay rights, marriage equality, and civil unions for homosexual couples who want the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

All I'm saying is that Chick-Fil-A is being disingenuous when it says that it doesn't discriminate against gays.

Give me a break.

Can you please list the several organizations campaigning against gay rights and possible give links to reports on how they are doing this? I haven't heard any reports of this kind of activity in the news lately and considering the main stream media that favors the left, I'm sure they would have been reporting on these horrible activities. I do admit that I do not watch news shows 24/7 but something this big has to make the headlines somewhere.

 

[The Other Side]

Can you please list the several organizations campaigning against gay rights and possible give links to reports on how they are doing this? I haven't heard any reports of this kind of activity in the news lately and considering the main stream media that favors the left, I'm sure they would have been reporting on these horrible activities. I do admit that I do not watch news shows 24/7 but something this big has to make the headlines somewhere.

TEXAN,

Brett listed them for you already.

THANKS BRETT!

Peace

TOS

 

[Jones]

Can you please list the several organizations campaigning against gay rights and possible give links to reports on how they are doing this? I haven't heard any reports of this kind of activity in the news lately and considering the main stream media that favors the left, I'm sure they would have been reporting on these horrible activities. I do admit that I do not watch news shows 24/7 but something this big has to make the headlines somewhere.

This is all I could find about the subject:
click

 

[roadrunner2012]

Yeah, <yawn>, I'll read that over my lunch at Chick-Fil-A tomorrow.

No wonder you quit/were run off from teaching. All them new ideas can make a fella crazy.

 

[cachsux]

No wonder you quit/were run off from teaching. All them new ideas can make a fella crazy.

Originally Posted by roadrunner2012
That is one of the most insensitive statements I have ever seen, anywhere.

True colors, shining thru."