Christianity

[BrownFlush]

Ephesians 5:9 - Children of Light

for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth.

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5:19

 

[vantexan]

Ephesians 5:9 - Children of Light

for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth.

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Thanks for that. It's Ephesians 5:19

 

[BrownFlush]

And.. Colossians 3:16

 

[Over70irregs]

Because in 1st Century Church writings they only sang. Ephesians 5:9

Psalms high cymbals

 

[Integrity]

Because in 1st Century Church writings they only sang. Ephesians 5:9

The 1st Century Church didn’t use message boards. What explains your participation on the BC?

I get it.

Pickin and choosin like everyone.

 

[Integrity]

You believe you would still be a Christian if we have no Bible, correct? How would you have heard about the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus without the Bible?

Yes.

Blah, blah…. Blah, blah.

 

[BrownFlush]

Yes.

Blah, blah…. Blah, blah.

How ridiculous.

 

[Integrity]

Hilarious.

You pick and choose anything you want from the Bible and I will be more than happy to discuss what the Bible says.

He only speaks as His Word says He does. Not me.

Correct. If you teach or speak something that is contrary to scripture, you are wrong and a false teacher.

God did not authorize instrumental music in worship in the New Testament . He authorized singing.
Only two kinds of music that I know of, instrumental and cappella.
Find instrumental music offered to God in worship in the New Testament and I'll be glad to add it.
Sing. Not play.

 

[Over70irregs]

Hilarious.

You pick and choose anything you want from the Bible and I will be more than happy to discuss what the Bible says.

He only speaks as His Word says He does. Not me.

Correct. If you teach or speak something that is contrary to scripture, you are wrong and a false teacher.

God did not authorize instrumental music in worship in the New Testament . He authorized singing.
Only two kinds of music that I know of, instrumental and cappella.
Find instrumental music offered to God in worship in the New Testament and I'll be glad to add it.
Sing. Not play.

Rev 14:2
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

 

[Integrity]

How ridiculous.

 

[BrownFlush]

Get your hand out of your mouth and put your foot in it.

 

[Integrity]

Rev 14:2
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

@BrownFlush will probably want to oust those harpers harping their harps right out of heaven.

He’ll tell you exactly why this means exactly what it means so that all false teachers can be exposed.

Yeah right.

 

[Over70irregs]

@BrownFlush will probably want to oust those harpers harping their harps right out of heaven.

He’ll tell you exactly why this means exactly what it means so that all false teachers can be exposed.

Yeah right.

(God did not authorize instrumental music in worship in the New Testament . He authorized singing.
Only two kinds of music that I know of, instrumental and cappella.
Find instrumental music offered to God in worship in the New Testament and I'll be glad to add it.
Sing. Not play.)

Harps are stringed instruments..

 

[vantexan]

The 1st Century Church didn’t use message boards. What explains your participation on the BC?

I get it.

Pickin and choosin like everyone.

I wasn't commanded to only communicate with papyrus.

 

[vantexan]

Yes.

Blah, blah…. Blah, blah.

Egads, a Yale man!

 

[BrownFlush]

Rev 14:2
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

On the outset, Revelation is written in figurative/symbolic language. It's a study that requires one to begin at the beginning.
To drop a verse in the middle of the letter and say here is worship with instruments in the church is to say more than 14:2 says.
In the book of Revelation, you find heavenly, not earthly, creatures worshipping God.
The twenty-four elders are not only pictured as having harps, but also wearing crowns (4:10) and offering incense (5:8). We also find the use of a censer (8:5), tabernacle (15:5) and the sea of glass (15:2).
To be consistent that this is literal harps and for this to justify the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship, you would have to insist these other items are literal. In fact, if the harps are authorized, then all are, then we have not the right to omit any of them from our worship.
At least two other times in Revelation, John makes mention of hearing the sound of musical instruments in the heavenly regions (Rev. 5:8, 9; 15:2, 3).
If God will, in fact, choose to allow the use of instruments in Heaven, that does not change what he has authorized us to use in worship today. Second, this line of reasoning ignores the highly symbolic nature of the Revelation. John states that Jesus signified the message of Revelation to him (Rev. 1:1). Again, this means that the Lord conveyed the prophecy by means of signs and symbols.
John also mentions seeing horses in Heaven (Rev. 6:2). Does this mean that Heaven will contain literal horses? Does this mean that we should use horses in the worship of the church today?
The spiritual abode of heaven will have nothing physical. Streets of gold? Literal harps? Nah. It's the only way John could describe how awesome it is so we could half way get the picture.

 

[BrownFlush]

@BrownFlush will probably want to oust those harpers harping their harps right out of heaven.

He’ll tell you exactly why this means exactly what it means so that all false teachers can be exposed.

Yeah right.

You mad...
I don't blame you. You've been made to look foolish, again.

 

[Over70irregs]

On the outset, Revelation is written in figurative/symbolic language. It's a study that requires one to begin at the beginning.
To drop a verse in the middle of the letter and say here is worship with instruments in the church is to say more than 14:2 says.
In the book of Revelation, you find heavenly, not earthly, creatures worshipping God.
The twenty-four elders are not only pictured as having harps, but also wearing crowns (4:10) and offering incense (5:8). We also find the use of a censer (8:5), tabernacle (15:5) and the sea of glass (15:2).
To be consistent that this is literal harps and for this to justify the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship, you would have to insist these other items are literal. In fact, if the harps are authorized, then all are, then we have not the right to omit any of them from our worship.
At least two other times in Revelation, John makes mention of hearing the sound of musical instruments in the heavenly regions (Rev. 5:8, 9; 15:2, 3).
If God will, in fact, choose to allow the use of instruments in Heaven, that does not change what he has authorized us to use in worship today. Second, this line of reasoning ignores the highly symbolic nature of the Revelation. John states that Jesus signified the message of Revelation to him (Rev. 1:1). Again, this means that the Lord conveyed the prophecy by means of signs and symbols.
John also mentions seeing horses in Heaven (Rev. 6:2). Does this mean that Heaven will contain literal horses? Does this mean that we should use horses in the worship of the church today?
The spiritual abode of heaven will have nothing physical. Streets of gold? Literal harps? Nah. It's the only way John could describe how awesome it is so we could half way get the picture.

You said no instruments in NT. I found a harp. Majority of NT is about new law/covenant and church conduct. Not much on instruments so you are correct.

 

[BrownFlush]

Psalms high cymbals

Old Testament.
Nailed to the cross.

 

[BrownFlush]

You said no instruments in NT. I found a harp. Majority of NT is about new law/covenant and church conduct. Not much on instruments so you are correct.

I said...

Find instrumental music offered to God in worship in the New Testament and I'll be glad to add it.

The harp you found was symbolic and was not being used in the worship of the church.