El Correcto
god is dead
Okay well let van know that slaves are required to serve their masters well.
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There's plenty of pro Christian writings by Jefferson. And the abolitionists were very much Christians. That movement started in England first. Were slave owners Christian? Yes. If you read Philemon you'll find how the Apostle Paul dealt with the issue. As men became more enlightened they realized the evil of it. What caused that enlightenment? Industrialization. The development of machines that could do the work of many men. There could no longer be excuses for enslaving men. You want to portray all Christians as of one mind but there were many schisms within Christendom and one certainly was that Christian abolitionists pushed for freedom of the slaves.
El Correcto
god is dead
Yeah that’s what I told you, Christian reforms were not brought on by Christianity for Christianity sake, it was Christians reforming in an era of rationalism and industrialization. Sure there was romanticism for Christianity but it wasn’t what caused people to free the slaves.
The Bible is very pro slavery, there is no but but but Philemon, Philemon is about Paul returning a slave to his master.
You’re just so indoctrinated it is hilarious.
El Correcto
god is dead
And another thing all those Christians you claimed so influenced modernity from europe thousands of years ago would of beat you till you pissed blood for what you say about the Bible on this website being a metaphor.
El Correcto
god is dead
Jefferson’s writing on Jesus make it clear he is a deist and materialist, not an orthodox Christian, not a Protestant Christian.
The Jefferson Bible is essentially Jefferson humanizing Christ and turning him into more of a philosopher than a deity. A philosopher he greatly respected.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Yes, on your part. What does God have to do with ANY of our advances?
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
What could the Author of all existence POSSIBLY have to do with our advances?
Your megalomania is hopeless.
Religion affected how things were conducted, resolved. For example, could've just killed all the Native Americans instead of setting aside reservations. The Spanish conquistadors were very hard on the Natives.
It was the protection of the Church that gave them better treatment. Could've told Germany and Japan to rebuild themselves after the war. No Marshall Plan either. The end of slavery was very much affected by religious views. Look at the way atheist regimes handled their affairs. That's the direction you want to go? Kill everyone who stands in the way of your power? Obviously there were a lot of things done over the centuries involving religious people that were horrible. A lot of good was done too. Atheists refuse to admit to that.
And yet he praised Christianity in his writings. Referred to the Creator in the Declaration of Independence. You seem to want to say that the country back then was split along the same lines as today. It wasn't. It was overwhelmingly Christian. And most advancements during those centuries were made with a very strong Christian influence always in the background.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
If you live in a society that has slaves (AD 50 Rome)or any other time, you bet.
Don't forget, Masters are to treat their slaves well.
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They may have. And?
Philemon was about treating the slave well too. You're trying to put your modern sensibilities to a different era. When Paul wrote Philemon Rome was very much a pagan empire. Not Christian at that point. Slavery was how all the manual labor was handled, just as it was throughout the world. When Christianity became predominant the European world slowly worked itself away from slavery. To their great shame the excuse for enslaving Africans when European slavery became unacceptable was the view that Africans weren't quite as human as Europeans. A view that carried over into the U.S. Constitution. It was Christian abolitionists who were at the forefront of ending the practice.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
The impact and teaching that Christianity had on the world 2000 years ago was earth shattering.. “These men who have turned the world upside down..."Acts 17:6
The wisdom of God is shown in the instruction of the master/slave relationship. There are other instructions of the treatment of fellow Christians regardless of race, wealth, education, social status, etc. Things unheard of before this time.
If the teaching of Christ would have been "abolish" slavery, the early Christians would have suffered even more and more would have been thrown to the lions.
Given time, the teaching of the New Testament on how to treat one another, slavery would take care of itself. If you live where it didn't , you still have instruction how masters and slaves should threat each other.
The wisdom of God is shown in the instruction of the master/slave relationship. There are other instructions of the treatment of fellow Christians regardless of race, wealth, education, social status, etc. Things unheard of before this time.
If the teaching of Christ would have been "abolish" slavery, the early Christians would have suffered even more and more would have been thrown to the lions.
Given time, the teaching of the New Testament on how to treat one another, slavery would take care of itself. If you live where it didn't , you still have instruction how masters and slaves should threat each other.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Stunning.
El Correcto
god is dead
There is no point to this discussion, blah blah treat the slaves well! Yeah okay bud, the Bible is in support of slavery through out. Christians were on both sides of it, but abolitionist Christian were more unorthodox and non conforming to scripture, you know like the people you view as not real Christians but want to take credit for your cult when they do something that makes it look good despite what your cult teaches.
Yeah a deist creator, deism was about arriving at religious truths through human reason, not through Christianity. If anything it is closer to a stepping stone into atheism missing evolution and a couple other scientific advancements to fuel human reason towards truth about creationism.
No that’s just you trying to shoe horn your awful cult into human advancement. Humanity advanced despite dogmatic people like you bashing other human beings based on your 0 logic 0 reason religious beliefs. Your beliefs adapt to modernity not the other way around.
You would be more akin to a slave holding Christian than you would be an abolitionist. You’re far too dogmatic about scripture for this day and age, you’d be sitting quoting it says right here slaves serve their masters well, blah blah blah.
Yeah I told you he greatly respected Jesus as a philosopher and as a man, not a deity.
El Correcto
god is dead
It shows you how much modernity has shaped your faith and that you are not bound to biblical truths in the same way they were. Back in the day the Bible was the truth about reality, you going against that would have been a big no no, these days most of us recognize it is wrong, even you. You are not bound to Genesis the same way those people were for instance, you like to run away from the stupidity of it and claim it’s just a metaphor bro.
You’re still pretty radical Christian obsessed with scripture in this day and age using it as a reason to hate others, why I’ll never know, but you are.
Sounds a lot like the religion of transgenderism in 2023. We already know what its holy books are. Most people will recognize it as wrong at some point in the future.
California Bill Would Classify Not Affirming Child’s Transgenderism As ‘Child Abuse’
A recently amended California bill would classify not affirming a child’s gender identity by one or both parents as “child abuse.” AB 957 was introduced into the California legislature by Assemblymember Lori Wilson (D-Suisun City) and state Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco). The bill...
California Bill Would Classify Not Affirming Child’s Transgenderism As ‘Child Abuse’
"A recently amended California bill would classify not affirming a child’s gender identity by one or both parents as “child abuse.”
AB 957 was introduced into the California legislature by Assemblymember Lori Wilson (D-Suisun City) and state Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco). The bill rewrites much of the state’s family law and classifies “a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity as part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child.”
The bill amends Section 3011 of the Family Code, which deals with child custody disputes, and requires that a court determining the “best interests” of the child must consider affirmation of transgender identity. If a parent were to deny the child’s “gender identity,” it would be a violation of the child’s health, safety, and welfare — equivalent to child abuse.
Because the bill changes the definition of what constitutes the “health, safety, and welfare” of a child, any organization interacting with children — including schools, churches, and hospitals — would be required to affirm gender transitions in minors."
You're absolutely right that there's not much point talking to you about anything related to Christianity. No matter what Christians say or do you will twist it into the worst possible interpretation. Your hatred comes through loud and clear. At the end of the day I'm defending living a morally upright life to the best of our ability. You're defending your right to debase yourself and everyone around you including little kids. I prefer to strive for better.
Mutineer
Well-Known Member
Sounds a lot like the religion of transgenderism in 2023. We already know what its holy books are. Most people will recognize it as wrong at some point in the future.
California Bill Would Classify Not Affirming Child’s Transgenderism As ‘Child Abuse’
A recently amended California bill would classify not affirming a child’s gender identity by one or both parents as “child abuse.” AB 957 was introduced into the California legislature by Assemblymember Lori Wilson (D-Suisun City) and state Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco). The bill...www.dailywire.com
California Bill Would Classify Not Affirming Child’s Transgenderism As ‘Child Abuse’
"A recently amended California bill would classify not affirming a child’s gender identity by one or both parents as “child abuse.”
AB 957 was introduced into the California legislature by Assemblymember Lori Wilson (D-Suisun City) and state Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco). The bill rewrites much of the state’s family law and classifies “a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity as part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child.”
The bill amends Section 3011 of the Family Code, which deals with child custody disputes, and requires that a court determining the “best interests” of the child must consider affirmation of transgender identity. If a parent were to deny the child’s “gender identity,” it would be a violation of the child’s health, safety, and welfare — equivalent to child abuse.
Because the bill changes the definition of what constitutes the “health, safety, and welfare” of a child, any organization interacting with children — including schools, churches, and hospitals — would be required to affirm gender transitions in minors."
I'm willing to entertain the notion that this is fake or misrepresented. But the name of my state (California) is all over it, and I have become accustomed to absurdity and reality colliding.
I've searched some online, and it appears that this bill could actually be passed. If any of you liberals can debunk or "fact check" LOL this, please do so. If not, then I want to remind you that your party owns this kind of crap.
Sooo I'm interpreting this to mean that if you are a parent in California and do not participate in, or enable your child's delusion, confusion, and/or mental illness then that child could be forcibly removed from your custody and you are going to jail for child abuse.
Also, the state or adoptive parent may see fit to provide whatever surgery/mutilation as needed, and very likely send you the bill.
It is exactly for reasons such as this why there has been such a focus on quashing so-called "toxic masculinity", demonizing white males, and the incessant din of gun control.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I would say you are completely misreading that story, but I know you haven't actually read it you're just parroting anti Christian propaganda.
That letter from Paul completely undermines the institution of slavery and cleverly calls out the dehumanization of slaves. It was an extremely radical concept.
Christianity is the only reason slavery was put to an end on this planet, you're just retconning history for your agenda.
