confederate flag?

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Cotton gin invented in 1794.

Did that stop slavery?

Good point. Kind of like FedEx ground?

 

[bbsam]

Cotton gin invented in 1794.

Did that stop slavery?

No. In fact many believe it increased the Souths determination to keep slavery. The gin removed seeds from cotton, it did not pick it. So after the gin was invented, the South nearly tripled their output of cotton. But that's the problem. There is no business sense to it. They could not see slavery as a broken system and did not put their profits into a less morally repugnant venture; research and development. Because guess what-- eventually a cotton picking machine was indeed invented. Silly hicks.

 

[bbsam]

Cotton gin invented in 1794.

Did that stop slavery?

(Sorry. I set you up with that one. )

 

[realbrown1]

No. In fact many believe it increased the Souths determination to keep slavery. The gin removed seeds from cotton, it did not pick it. So after the gin was invented, the South nearly tripled their output of cotton. But that's the problem. There is no business sense to it. They could not see slavery as a broken system and did not put their profits into a less morally repugnant venture; research and development. Because guess what-- eventually a cotton picking machine was indeed invented. Silly hicks.

Well, according to google, the first practical and wide spread use of mechanical cotton picking machines came about in 1943.

And if the civil war didn't take place, there is no reason to believe the southern whites would voluntarily give up slavery.

Could you imaging slavery lasting in this country until at least the 1940's?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Well, according to google, the first practical and wide spread use of mechanical cotton picking machines came about in 1943.

And if the civil war didn't take place, there is no reason to believe the southern whites would voluntarily give up slavery.

Could you imaging slavery lasting in this country until at least the 1940's?

Endutured servants.... Aka working poor.

 

[bbsam]

Well, according to google, the first practical and wide spread use of mechanical cotton picking machines came about in 1943.

And if the civil war didn't take place, there is no reason to believe the southern whites would voluntarily give up slavery.

Could you imaging slavery lasting in this country until at least the 1940's?

There's no reason a mechanical cotton picking device couldn't have been perfected far earlier with investment and consistent development. But that could have threatened profit margins. You said it yourself. The south was out engineered, underdeveloped compared to the north. It didn't have to be that way. Thenorth didn't just sit around crapping technological wizardry.

 

[wkmac]

So, according to you, slavery was dying by 1860?

Is that why the southern states fought a war to keep it in place?

Because they obviously didn't think slavery was dying.

Well aren't you the scholar. Impressive!

 

[bbsam]

Well aren't you the scholar. Impressive!

No.

 

[realbrown1]

There's no reason a mechanical cotton picking device couldn't have been perfected far earlier with investment and consistent development. But that could have threatened profit margins. You said it yourself. The south was out engineered, underdeveloped compared to the north. It didn't have to be that way. Thenorth didn't just sit around crapping technological wizardry.

But it wasn't invented earier.

And if people in hell had ice water, they wouldn't be thirsty.

 

[realbrown1]

Well aren't you the scholar. Impressive!

Am I missing something because to me, these are obvious facts.

 

[bbsam]

But it wasn't invented earier.

And if people in hell had ice water, they wouldn't be thirsty.

It wasn't invented because of a lack of forward thinking and ingenuity, not for lack of technology. The south could have and chose not to. Chose to become outdated and obsolete. Chose to be dominated by northern economic advancement.

 

[wkmac]

Am I missing something because to me, these are obvious facts.

I've no doubt whatsoever to you this is settled fact in your mind so as it relates to the question, no, you are missing nothing as no other conclusion can be reached.

 

[realbrown1]

It wasn't invented because of a lack of forward thinking and ingenuity, not for lack of technology. The south could have and chose not to. Chose to become outdated and obsolete. Chose to be dominated by northern economic advancement.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.....Didn't happen.

I can't believe your stubbornness to admit that the civil war was necessary to free the slaves.

No other event would have freed them, or freed them in the foreseeable future.

Thank god for the south seceding and starting the civil war.

It was the best possible outcome for black americans.

 

[realbrown1]

I've no doubt whatsoever to you this is settled fact in your mind so as it relates to the question, no, you are missing nothing as no other conclusion can be reached.

Well, what would have freed the slaves if the civil war never happened?

 

[wkmac]

Well, what would have freed the slaves if the civil war never happened?

Same thing that freed the slaves among every other European power who never fought a war over the issue to solve it.

But if you feel you need a little blood to feel vindicated then only war itself would accomplish the task.

 

[bbsam]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.....Didn't happen.

I can't believe your stubbornness to admit that the civil war was necessary to free the slaves.

No other event would have freed them, or freed them in the foreseeable future.

Thank god for the south seceding and starting the civil war.

It was the best possible outcome for black americans.

You asked how else slavery COULD have been abolished.

Yes. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. ..because that's what YOU asked.

 

[realbrown1]

Same thing that freed the slaves among every other European power who never fought a war over the issue to solve it.

But if you feel you need a little blood to feel vindicated then only war itself would accomplish the task.

Do you think the southern whites would had freed their slaves without a war.

And Lincoln said he wouldn't touch the institution of slavery.

So you would have let slavery survive long after 1865, just to avoid looking at a Confederate flag?

Becuase slavery would have survived both of Lincoln's terms.

So how long do you think it would take to kill slavery once and for all, without a civil war?

 

[realbrown1]

You asked how else slavery COULD have been abolished.

Yes. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. ..because that's what YOU asked.

Without the Confederacy, I see nothing in our history that would end slavery until maybe Teddy Roosevelt becoming President in 1901.

He's one of those few WILD CARDS that come around once every few generations that maybe could rally enough support to end slavery.

 

[bbsam]

Without the Confederacy, I see nothing in our history that would end slavery until maybe Teddy Roosevelt becoming President in 1901.

He's one of those few WILD CARDS that come around once every few generations that maybe could rally enough support to end slavery.

The only thing standing in the way of ending slavery was the southern desire (fueled by economic greed) to keep it.

 

[realbrown1]

The only thing standing in the way of ending slavery was the southern desire (fueled by economic greed) to keep it.

No Duh.