Contract proposals for 2018

[wide load]

I could care less who won.
I just pointing out the facts here slug.
The IBT will never impose a contract again.
The rank and file are not happy with the current leadership. It's shows in the votes
Fact

It showed they are happy.

 

[Bubblehead]

Not sure how you disagree with a post when you're unsure of it's content but you continue to surprise, anyway...Neither of those guys supported the work of the National Committee. Neither of those guys were on the committee yet they knew better than those that were. Neither of those guys raised any objection at the two-man review panel.

I disagreed simply with the notion that, whoever you were referring to, only opposed the 2013 contract proposals for political purposes for an election in 2016.

Are you really going to pretend that these two men, by virtue of International aspirations, were successful in causing 18 supplements to fail, 3 years prior to the election?

Come on Man.

Both of those fellows had International ambition. One had already challenged the IBT leadership.
Tim worked out a supplement (or his biggest mistake Liam did) that was accepted by his members. Unlike Tim, Fred wasn't accepting anything. He kept moving the goalposts, even after UPS agreed to additional demands. In the long run he caused a lesser agreement for L89.

If they did, or they still do have "International ambition", that doesn't make them heretics, nor does it validate the International for imposing a lesser agreement for Local 89.

What kind of backwards notion is it, that if you challenge the incumbents, your members will suffer; by virtue of the same organization duty bound to protect and serve it?

Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water?

How hard would it have been for the IBT to convince UPS to put the better offers back on the table before they imposed?
If it was on the table once, why would UPS oppose, if it would close the deal?
But no, spite ruled the day and spoiled milk for those who dared to swim upstream.

In the end, I don't and won't buy into this "moving goal post" rhetoric for one simple reason....

....I went there and spoke with the members and they were fighting for better working conditions, not wages or benefits.
They weren't satisfied, so they continued to Vote No, plain and simple.

Forward to the IBT Convention and knowing he had no chance of passing any amendments to the IBT Constitution, he stumbled through the process at the Convention.

Now that was politics, as it should be.
What was a shame, and a complete embarrassment, was the actions and reactions of the red vested idiots during the "process".

Now either his act was intentional, again for effect only, or he's a complete blubbering fool, which you and I know isn't the case.
So you tell me, other than a political ploy, what was he doing? What befuddles me is how a thoughtful person, who sees conspiracies everywhere, can't see the chance that he used these processes for a personal agenda.

It was a man, Fred (we can say his name), simply representing his members during a contract negotiation three years prior to an International election.

I really don't see conspiracies everywhere, more like many within one closed rank, non-transparent organization, that needs to matriculate into the 21st century....finally.

One final thought; I wonder what would have happened if the eventual ticket for Teamsters United was as it finished, from the beginning, without the shuffling of candidates?

 

[upschuck]

They are running scared right
Now. They will never impose a contract again. I promise you that slug

Running scared? What gives you that idea? You come to a lot of erroneous conclusions, but carry on, if you wish.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

That's only 6 mil a year. $40k per at bat.

This was over the life of the contract.

 

[twoweeled]

They give them the option to run something cold here.......not many will do that

Well, if they choose to refuse work - well they deserve what they are going to get! Driver is outsmarted, AGAIN! Insert ice pick in ear.
Since I was new, I never understood the hands that would fly up in the morning for that "R-Day", followed by the complaints about too much work. We've got to be smarter.

 

[twoweeled]

If the company was forced to pay someone, do you think they would still send them home, or send them out to deliver?

In my area, they would have us move trailers from lot A, to lot B.
If that didn't cover our 8 hour guaranteed day, they'd have us move trailers from
lot B, back to lot A! I can't recall them ever knowingly pay us to go home.

 

[Coldworld]

Enough is what the market will bare.
For the sake of this discussion, both the MLB and UPS are doing just fine under these parameters.

As long as they keep taking more from dragon and giving it to us I'm fine with it....

 

[Bubblehead]

Well, if they choose to refuse work - well they deserve what they are going to get! Driver is outsmarted, AGAIN! Insert ice pick in ear.
Since I was new, I never understood the hands that would fly up in the morning for that "R-Day", followed by the complaints about too much work. We've got to be smarter.

They will come in an hour early, then stand around for another half hour after our start time, in hopes of being "allowed" to go home"?

Boggles my mind.
Once I get up, get dressed, and drive to that place.....

.....I'm getting my money, every penny.

Figure in the interest on the money that isn't going into my 401k, and that dead day will cost me thousand$.

I'll take a dive a couple times a year, maybe, but never after I already reported.

SMH

 

[thisjobaintforeverybody]

In no event shall a driver be sub- ject to reimbursement for loss or damage to a Driver Release parcel valued at one hundred dollars ($100.00) or less.


I propose we move this up to $300-$500.

 

[wide load]

In no event shall a driver be sub- ject to reimbursement for loss or damage to a Driver Release parcel valued at one hundred dollars ($100.00) or less.


I propose we move this up to $300-$500.

Or "No driver will be subject to pay for any DR that is not classified as a risk level 4"

 

[UnconTROLLed]

As long as they keep taking more from dragon and giving it to us I'm fine with it....

Why? You want to have a lower-management person (but your "superior") making as little or LESS than you, with worse benefits? That seems ridiculous, but so be it.

 

[thisjobaintforeverybody]

not classified as a risk level 4"

Please Explain

 

[wide load]

Please Explain

Risk level 4 is when the diad prevents you from DRing. So essentially, the onus is put on the company. If they don't want us to DR, tell us. If we have the ability to leave a package and it gets "stolen", NMFP.

 

[10 Pt]

Risk level 4 is when the diad prevents you from DRing. So essentially, the onus is put on the company. If they don't want us to DR, tell us. If we have the ability to leave a package and it gets "stolen", NMFP.

The diads have cameras in them so why can't we use them to cover our DR?

 

[wide load]

The diads have cameras in them so why can't we use them to cover our DR?

Not sure how I feel about opening up the camera idea. I'm of the mindset of less recording, but I'd always welcome ideas.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The diads have cameras in them so why can't we use them to cover our DR?

Our DIADs also allow for communication between drivers yet that feature has yet to be enabled.

 

[10 Pt]

Not sure how I feel about opening up the camera idea. I'm of the mindset of less recording, but I'd always welcome ideas.

I presume that there may have been legal ramifications for taking pictures of private property that stopped the camera idea.

 

[10 Pt]

Our DIADs also allow for communication between drivers yet that feature has yet to be enabled.

They won't enable it as long as we allow them to prod us to call on our own personal cell phones.

 

[ManInBrown]

They will come in an hour early, then stand around for another half hour after our start time, in hopes of being "allowed" to go home"?

Boggles my mind.
Once I get up, get dressed, and drive to that place.....

.....I'm getting my money, every penny.

Figure in the interest on the money that isn't going into my 401k, and that dead day will cost me thousand$.

I'll take a dive a couple times a year, maybe, but never after I already reported.

SMH

Bingo. If I brown up and get in my car I'm working. We have drivers in my center that live 45 minutes away, and would go home 4 days a week if they could, after driving all the way in.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

They won't enable it as long as we allow them to prod us to call on our own personal cell phones.

The communication would be between DIADs only.