Contract proposals for 2018

[10 Pt]

The communication would be between DIADs only.

That's what I'm saying.
Meet points, swapping misloads, etc. The center already communicates with us thru the diad (two way) if you haven't already noticed

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Our DIADs also allow for communication between drivers yet that feature has yet to be enabled.

It's funny that you mention that.


When 2 way communication was first put in the board, that was the question

all the drivers asked. The company's response was "no way"


The drivers thought it would be a great way to set up meet points, exchange

misloads, help cover heavy pickups, over 70's, etc.


The company didn't want to give up control of these situations.

They won't enable it as long as we allow them to prod us to call on our own personal cell phones.

There ya go.

Summed up.... in a nutshell.



-Bug-

 

[10 Pt]

It's funny that you mention that.


When 2 way communication was first put in the board, that was the question

all the drivers asked. The company's response was "no way"


The drivers thought it would be a great way to set up meet points, exchange

misloads, help cover heavy pickups, over 70's, etc.


The company didn't want to give up control of these situations.





There ya go.

Summed up.... in a nutshell.



-Bug-

Do you know any details about the telematics report depicting "talking after delivering" (I presume that means Stop Complete)?

Is that due to the diad lingering for a span of time after Stop Complete or is it that the company can listen without divulging?

 

[LeaveIt2Griever]

Local 287 here

I work P/T twilight shift. Most Mondays i'm asked to drive a trailer (or shuttle, if you will) to another hub about 1.5 hours away.

Since my progression started less than a year ago, they've been paying me $18.75 (plus OT after 5hrs) for taking the shuttle. However, a lot of the old timers in my building tell me that they're supposed to be paying me top Feeder rate. Apparently that's how they do it everywhere else in the country.

My B.A. tells me they've been discussing the shuttle rates with the company for a while now. If and when it gets resolved, i'll be receiving a check with back pay for every shuttle I took.

Do night shuttle drivers really make top rate everywhere else in the country? Why not in my local?

 

[workasdirected]

We don't have a 9.5 issue here. But for you guys out there who do.
It needs to be enforced with big money penalty to get the companies attention.

The 50% run of an area cut is wrong. They are using it to their advantage. No changing of route name and call it another. Only adds allowed. No cuts of your bid area. To do somebody else's area.

Take care of retirees (UPS ONLY) our local has Ups covering 76% of all pensions. This is totally dishonest. .

Part timers. A 3 dollar raise plus pension contributions.

I hate when parts of my route get CUT but I get to do as many or more than were cut on another route!!!!!Totol BS!!

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Do you know any details about the telematics report depicting "talking after delivering" (I presume that means Stop Complete)?

Is that due to the diad lingering for a span of time after Stop Complete or is it that the company can listen without divulging?

Uh....

SPARCS ?

For like, the last 20 years ?


-Bug-

 

[rod]

A route cold these days is tough. But if more routes were put on because they had to pay the drivers showing up regardless, it would make for some more reasonable dispatches.

I though all the packages were loaded stop for stop now with your DIAD telling you how many and in what order to deliver them. How could that be tougher that back when the trucks were a cluster "friend" and you didn't know how many packages for each stop you had or what your next stop was without going through your load.

 

[10 Pt]

Uh....

SPARCS ?

For like, the last 20 years ?


-Bug-

I'm not talking about sparcs or reports that show dead time.
Talking after the stop is the report topic title not "Failing to move out without delay". How would they know if you're "talking"?

I'm talking about electronic eavesdropping.
Don't tell me it's not available and that a company wouldn't listen to specific people's conversations.
Is it legal? Probably not. Is it done? Well...

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I'm talking about electronic eavesdropping.
Don't tell me it's not available and that a company wouldn't listen to specific people's conversations.

Seriously ?

They can't even get packages on the right truck everyday.

Pfft....

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

How would they know if you're "talking"?

They don't-----it is an assumption based on the amount of time between "stop complete" and "left stop".

 

[10 Pt]

Seriously.
There's reasons for the question and having some part time worker load 4-5 trucks starting at 4:30 am is not parallel to my question.

They don't-----it is an assumption based on the amount of time between "stop complete" and "left stop".

Thx for the response.
I hope you're right.
There's a reason I asked the question. Someday I can elaborate.

 

[10 Pt]

I though all the packages were loaded stop for stop now with your DIAD telling you how many and in what order to deliver them. How could that be tougher that back when the trucks were a cluster "friend" and you didn't know how many packages for each stop you had or what your next stop was without going through your load.

Back then I'd just go back to the previous stop if I found another pkg for them and take the credit for the time. Not my problem.

Now, you actually know how many are supposed to be with that delivery and since they've cut loaders either your load got put in with a bobcat bucket or often the missing pkg is on another truck so you still waste time digging for it amongst a load that has 20-25% more work.

Ignorance was bliss. Angering, yes but this jacked up system is too.

 

[MyTripisCut]

I though all the packages were loaded stop for stop now with your DIAD telling you how many and in what order to deliver them. How could that be tougher that back when the trucks were a cluster "friend" and you didn't know how many packages for each stop you had or what your next stop was without going through your load.

I'm not gonna compare eras. I'm sure some parts of the job are easier than yesteryear. While I'm also sure some parts of the job are harder than yesteryear. This can be a hard job, mainly mentally, regardless of when and where or what year you are delivering in.

 

[NXA]

Seriously.
There's reasons for the question and having some part time worker load 4-5 trucks starting at 4:30 am is not parallel to my question.

Thx for the response.
I hope you're right.
There's a reason I asked the question. Someday I can elaborate.

It's a good point, though, maybe we should build protections against a/v monitoring into the contract now instead of waiting til it's policy and then trying to push back?

 

[wide load]

Do you know any details about the telematics report depicting "talking after delivering" (I presume that means Stop Complete)?

Is that due to the diad lingering for a span of time after Stop Complete or is it that the company can listen without divulging?

After a heavy stop, my body needs to catch my breath. This rest is not part of my break. This is cumulative fatigue caused when you ATP (Adenosine triphosphate) storage drops. Time and energy (food) will replenish these stores.

 

[10 Pt]

After a heavy stop, my body needs to catch my breath. This rest is not part of my break. This is cumulative fatigue caused when you ATP (Adenosine triphosphate) storage drops. Time and energy (food) will replenish these stores.

Also defined by former bargaining unit members (management) infected with amnesia as Amino trioverallowed (ov/under) and it gives them heartburn during (one of) the AM bat phone calls.

It's an easy job if you have a 50 or less IQ or learn not to weaken.

 

[rod]

I'm not gonna compare eras. I'm sure some parts of the job are easier than yesteryear. While I'm also sure some parts of the job are harder than yesteryear. This can be a hard job, mainly mentally, regardless of when and where or what year you are delivering in.

I wasn't trying to start a "it was harder back then fight". I was just remembering back when I went out cold on my first rural route.

No cell phones
No Google Maps
No Earth View
No E-911 rural addressing system
Very few names on mail boxes
Very few roads marked with a name
Very few paved roads
Didn't have a clue how Rural Route 2 ran or what area it covered---let alone RR 4,
Star Route and a half a dozen more RR mixed in.


I remember once after dark when I first started delivering this route having to ask a customer directions on how to get back to town when I finished my last stop-----now that's LOST.

Now I drive around the country and every road has a street sign and every resident has a nice big blue numbered sign at the end of their driveway just like house numbers when delivering in town.-----------------and the roads are all paved.

 

[rod]

Back then I'd just go back to the previous stop if I found another pkg for them and take the credit for the time. Not my problem.

Now, you actually know how many are supposed to be with that delivery and since they've cut loaders either your load got put in with a bobcat bucket or often the missing pkg is on another truck so you still waste time digging for it amongst a load that has 20-25% more work.

Ignorance was bliss. Angering, yes but this jacked up system is too.

We took credit for another stop also if we went back----wasn't cheating--just the way it was.

 

[10 Pt]

I wasn't trying to start a "it was harder back then fight". I was just remembering back when I went out cold on my first rural route.

No cell phones
No Google Maps
No Earth View
No E-911 rural addressing system
Very few names on mail boxes
Very few roads marked with a name
Very few paved roads
Didn't have a clue how Rural Route 2 ran or what area it covered---let alone RR 4,
Star Route and a half a dozen more RR mixed in.


I remember once after dark when I first started delivering this route having to ask a customer directions on how to get back to town when I finished my last stop-----now that's LOST.

Now I drive around the country and every road has a street sign and every resident has a nice big blue numbered sign at the end of their driveway just like house numbers when delivering in town.-----------------and the roads are all paved.

And we have trucks with power steering plus headlights that shine more than 15 ft ahead of you at night.

 

[rod]

And we have trucks with power steering plus headlights that shine more than 15 ft ahead of you at night.

how could I forget that