Contract rumor.

[InsideUPS]

UPS puts in somewhere around 250 per week for my crappy insurance.. at a grand a month I should be able to find healthcare that is better than the central states plan. I just wish we had a union, Local, like the ones up north..

ballandchain... Our Local negotiates it's own healthcare plan for full-time employees.. A good BA will get several healthcare providers in your area to bid against other for the best cost plan for all Teamsters in that Local. They do NOT use the company plan....and we are under Central States (Ohio).

 

[Brownslave688]

UPS puts in somewhere around 250 per week for my crappy insurance.. at a grand a month I should be able to find healthcare that is better than the central states plan. I just wish we had a union, Local, like the ones up north..

Is there anything u like about this company? Just retire already.

My uncle pays over 2k a month for family insurance. We're talking insurance with four digit deductibles.

 

[ftballer67]

I can't imagine the union leadership even putting the contract up for a vote with the current health care proposal.

 

[balland chain]

I use to love my job..I will be retiring ASAP believe me..

 

[Drink Craft Beer]

If part timers didn't get a raise in the ten years of the contract......who would stay for 8.50 an hour over the ten years with no benefits?????

The higher the PT turnover rate makes it more excusable for Supervison to do Union work. And we all know UPS doesn't mind supervisors filling in, saying "we have no choice, there's nobody else to do it today."

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I've heard recently that companies are now beginning programs related to health-care, to save them money. For ex:, if an employee participates in a regular check-up through a company health provider, and is deemed to be 'taking care of themselves', they will save money on their out-of-pocket by $600/year. They'll check weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc This is extremely coercive and controlling, but this is the power we've given corporations.

I could see UPS trying this, the control freaks which they are.

CVS, based in Rhode Island, is taking this a step further by penalizing those who are not taking care of themselves to the tune of an extra $600/year.

 

[ocnewguy]

The higher the PT turnover rate makes it more excusable for Supervison to do Union work. And we all know UPS doesn't mind supervisors filling in, saying "we have no choice, there's nobody else to do it today."

both sides love it. keeps those $275+ (depends on the local) initiation fees rolling into the union too.

 

[Packmule]

I've heard recently that companies are now beginning programs related to health-care, to save them money. For ex:, if an employee participates in a regular check-up through a company health provider, and is deemed to be 'taking care of themselves', they will save money on their out-of-pocket by $600/year. They'll check weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc This is extremely coercive and controlling, but this is the power we've given corporations.


I could see UPS trying this, the control freaks which they are.

I would love to see managment forced to demonstrate they are taking care of themselves. Not usually one to point out weight problems as I know so many are caused by serious medical problems. But really, have you noticed how fast a new manager "bulks up'? And what is the cost of a heart attack compared to a twisted ankle they crucify drivers for?

 

[Drink Craft Beer]

both sides love it. keeps those $275+ (depends on the local) initiation fees rolling into the union too.

Not really, considering that new PT hires have to put in much more time than before in order to qualify to be a union member.

 

[ocnewguy]

Not really, considering that new PT hires have to put in much more time than before in order to qualify to be a union member.

we start paying at 30 days...not really a long time imo

 

[twoweeled]

been through one strike...no fun..really ugly in our midwest area...For what we went out for, at that time totally caught ups off guard, they are better prepared to make or break the union like other companies have done in the last few years. Our numbers our down as a union and we are weaker, UPS knows this. They have always boasted that we will be leaner and meaner when we come out of the economy slump...Iam wondering if this is what they have been waiting for? Unlike years past, Fedex Grd is more prepared with all their new terminals they built after our last contract, Iam not sure if they have the help, but customers have more options for shipping now. UPS, in my opinion and I hope that iam wrong and you can rip me if you want, they just don't give a sh#t about us or the customers. They are more worried about their stupid pickup compliance times and having your run spohr, no matter if you have a crappy loader or it snows 11 inches...My question is this, other unions have still worked even after their contracts expire and then companies still can negotiate without any work stoppage. I have always heard about this and it seems that those companies generally work things out.
Not sure this works for all contracts, just a thought!...I just want to get this thing taken care of early and not have pay on health care.

so much of what you say is true. although personally, I found the last strike a lot of fun! but although a lot of what you said is true, what is the option? if you think it's bad now, just wait to see what it's like after we accept anything they give us. 1 driver put it to me perfectly. it's just a matter of time until we are all walking the yard with our heads down looking at the ground afraid to look up.

 

[Brownslave688]

I've heard recently that companies are now beginning programs related to health-care, to save them money. For ex:, if an employee participates in a regular check-up through a company health provider, and is deemed to be 'taking care of themselves', they will save money on their out-of-pocket by $600/year. They'll check weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc This is extremely coercive and controlling, but this is the power we've given corporations.

I could see UPS trying this, the control freaks which they are.

CVS, based in Rhode Island, is taking this a step further by penalizing those who are not taking care of themselves to the tune of an extra $600/year.

That's likely discrimination and won't last long.

 

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The higher the PT turnover rate makes it more excusable for Supervison to do Union work. And we all know UPS doesn't mind supervisors filling in, saying "we have no choice, there's nobody else to do it today."

I would be more than happy to load my truck every morning. Than have a supervisor load. I wouldn't have to play hide a seek for multiple package stops. Rather get OT early than late.

 

[gotbrown]

Why are people willing to accept any of this? People saying they will pay this but not this much only if the benefits stay the same. I say friend that, We should not consider concessions in health care at all! I agree with most, we work hard for our benefits and pay. At best i would concede the new contract would be the same as current with a bump in pay for part timers, as negotiations stand now and they don't even come close to what is stated above then I would say strike and friend UPS. As many have stated before this will dictate future negotiations if we take a hit like this now with record profits, bonus and raises for the CEO. Then this is the begining of the end for the union at UPS and for all across the country... If we fail here we fail all who have come before us and the future for all unions. This will be a benchmark contract...STRIKE if we have to pray we don't..

 

[Mr Shifter]

Cost of healthcare rises thus potential cost of care rises. If we need more insurance than before (extra expense for our plan due to extra foreseeable cost) the money has to come from somewhere.

Le sigh this be confusing

 

[UnconTROLLed]

That's likely discrimination and won't last long.

Never say never. The world is changing.

Also, CVS's plan is RIGHT UP UPS's alley, since UPS expects work-related injuries (especially long-term through repetition and repeated wear) and health issues (stress for one) to be covered OUTSIDE of workman's comp, where it does not belong. The thread in UPS discussions clearly demonstrates this.

 

[bbsam]

Never

 

[Brownslave688]

Why are people willing to accept any of this? People saying they will pay this but not this much only if the benefits stay the same. I say friend that, We should not consider concessions in health care at all! I agree with most, we work hard for our benefits and pay. At best i would concede the new contract would be the same as current with a bump in pay for part timers, as negotiations stand now and they don't even come close to what is stated above then I would say strike and friend UPS. As many have stated before this will dictate future negotiations if we take a hit like this now with record profits, bonus and raises for the CEO. Then this is the begining of the end for the union at UPS and for all across the country... If we fail here we fail all who have come before us and the future for all unions. This will be a benchmark contract...STRIKE if we have to pray we don't..

I was telling a co worker tonight to save up for a strike. He asked why so I told him. He said well they probably pay a lot for our insurance.

My jaw just dropped. Finally 10-15 minutes later I think I had some sense talked into him but the point was at first he was not outraged.

 

[Brownslave688]

Cost of healthcare rises thus potential cost of care rises. If we need more insurance than before (extra expense for our plan due to extra foreseeable cost) the money has to come from somewhere.

Le sigh this be confusing

The price of shipping a package goes up every year also. Ups profits have been going up the last few years.

Your point is?

 

[Brownslave688]

That's likely discrimination and won't last long.

Never say never. The world is changing.

Also, CVS's plan is RIGHT UP UPS's alley, since UPS expects work-related injuries (especially long-term through repetition and repeated wear) and health issues (stress for one) to be covered OUTSIDE of workman's comp, where it does not belong. The thread in UPS discussions clearly demonstrates this.

I haven't seen the cvs plan but its causing an uproar. I don't see many upsers paying more. Considering we all have to pass a DOT physical just to drive.