Contract rumor.

[Atomic_Smurf]

Here, I found thee exact quote. Enjoy...

"I would hope that we set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentionally some transition process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen years out or 20 out." -Barack Obama

For us, this "transition" will take place one contract at a time.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Here, watch his lips move for yourself.

SHOCK UNCOVERED HIS OWN WORDS Obama says His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance - YouTube

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

Have you seen your health insurance amount on your W-2? It's on there now in box 12dd. Thats the company reporting to the IRS how much your insurance costs. This amount becomes taxable, not to you personally, but to UPS in 2018. The threshold for an individual is set around $10,500 and most plans are in the $15k to $19k range. Obamacare taxes UPS for anything above that threshold at 40%. You do the math. UPS will be paying thousands more for every employee. That's money that we could be bargaining for that has been forfeited to Washington instead.

The tax doesn't take effect until 2018 and it is set at 27,500 for a family plan

 

[Brownslave688]

Have you seen your health insurance amount on your W-2? It's on there now in box 12dd. Thats the company reporting to the IRS how much your insurance costs. This amount becomes taxable, not to you personally, but to UPS in 2018. The threshold for an individual is set around $10,500 and most plans are in the $15k to $19k range. Obamacare taxes UPS for anything above that threshold at 40%. You do the math. UPS will be paying thousands more for every employee. That's money that we could be bargaining for that has been forfeited to Washington instead.

The tax doesn't take effect until 2018 and it is set at 27,500 for a family plan

It still makes no sense this tax is just mind blowing. Your punishing a company for giving too good of insurance.

Also I don't see why this affecting our contract now. Do a 5 year contract that ends in 2018 and then if all this stuff does come to be we can negotiate about it then.

 

[twoweeled]

Word I'm hearing is that the union has agreed in principle to a 10 year contract. Part timers will get significant wage increases, Full timers not so much. hall stated that after talking to teamsters all across the country he felt confident that the majority of full timers were willing to give up wage increases in order to help the part time work force out. No payment for healthcare but benefits will be scaled back considerably with higher deductibles and co-pays and possibly the loss of vision and /or dental. Possible deal in the works where you could "voluntarily" pay more per week for expanded HC coverage using the company's originally proposed 30/60/90 plan as a template. According to hall this was the best he could do under Obamacare which is apparently going to bankrupt the company if we don't all pitch in and help out.

This sure sounds like it could be true, but after what hall said at meeting and rally's - I can't help but wonder how someone in hall position is going to back up on what he said?? Remember, we're not paying one penny!!!!! I have to hear to believe it. That's enough for me to vote the whole crew out for me! IF HE BACKS UP on what he said!

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

It still makes no sense this tax is just mind blowing. Your punishing a company for giving too good of insurance.

Also I don't see why this affecting our contract now. Do a 5 year contract that ends in 2018 and then if all this stuff does come to be we can negotiate about it then.

Just like income, the tax will only be applied to the dollar amount OVER 27,500...
How you coming up with 6.1 billion.

You'll barely hit 6.1 million in tax, if you guys get a 35,000 a year family plan!!

 

[twoweeled]

Routes Getting huge??? They are all already blown WAY out in my center. I punched out @ 830 last night, and wasn't the latest person, either. If they add much more we'll be delivering all night long

I hear that's true in the centers. It's a shame. In feeder, we can take 12 hour days. I don't think package can take 12 hour days forever. Human body wasn't made to endure that. I know you young guys think you can, but you will pay for it later. We are in a war right now with the company, shame so many of us don't know it.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

Ok Obama haters, here are the facts from the TDU
Healthcare Reform and You | Teamsters for a Democratic Union

The top Teamster health plans under national contracts like UPS, freight and carhaul cost around $15,000 a year—including dental and vision. The minimum threshold for the High Value tax is a benefit that costs $27,500 a year—not counting dental and vision coverage! (Now, that’s a Cadillac!)

 

[Brownslave688]

Ok Obama haters, here are the facts from the TDU
Healthcare Reform and You | Teamsters for a Democratic Union

The top Teamster health plans under national contracts like UPS, freight and carhaul cost around $15,000 a year—including dental and vision. The minimum threshold for the High Value tax is a benefit that costs $27,500 a year—not counting dental and vision coverage! (Now, that’s a Cadillac!)

I had heard we are under the threshold but wasn't willing to do the research. Thanks

Wonder how Cadillac the congress and presidential plans are.

 

[FAVREFAN]

Have you seen your health insurance amount on your W-2? It's on there now in box 12dd. Thats the company reporting to the IRS how much your insurance costs. This amount becomes taxable, not to you personally, but to UPS in 2018. The threshold for an individual is set around $10,500 and most plans are in the $15k to $19k range. Obamacare taxes UPS for anything above that threshold at 40%. You do the math. UPS will be paying thousands more for every employee. That's money that we could be bargaining for that has been forfeited to Washington instead.

Maybe you should do the math. UPS payed $5,600 for me(Supposedly) 39 single male. $15-$19? No way pal. Not for single coverage. You could get it cheaper by yourself off the street with a provider. Family coverage will be taxed over $27,500. Quit spreading your GOP propaganda from Fox News.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

I had heard we are under the threshold but wasn't willing to do the research. Thanks

Wonder how Cadillac the congress and presidential plans are.

I would wager they'll be paying that tax, haha...

 

[Brownslave688]

I had heard we are under the threshold but wasn't willing to do the research. Thanks

Wonder how Cadillac the congress and presidential plans are.

I would wager they'll be paying that tax, haha...

Ill wager they are exempt.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

I know this is just an open forum and the union Stewart's have alot on their plates right now.
However you guys shouldn't be relying on a FedEx driver to be fact checking (and proving them wrong) the anti union conservatives in your group.
Pounce on me for not even belonging over here, but I believe in the IBT, and think its important for all labor that you guys win this fight.
You just have to do a better job policing your own.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

Ill wager they are exempt.

And you would lose
Congress Exempted From Obamacare? - Forbes

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

The tax doesn't take effect until 2018 and it is set at 27,500 for a family plan

So it's going to effect individual plans immediately in 2018 ($10,500 threashhold) & family plans eventually. With 6-8% increases every year, nearly every UPS family will qualify to have their employer provided plans taxed within a few years. Accepting it is only selling out future generations of UPSers that want good insurance for their families. And thats only 1 of the 21 new Obamacare taxes that are driving up costs & funneling people into lesser, downgraded insurance plans.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

So it's going to effect individual plans immediately in 2018 ($10,500 threashhold) & family plans eventually. With 6-8% increases every year, nearly every UPS family will qualify to have their employer provided plans taxed within a few years. Accepting it is only selling out future generations of UPSers that want good insurance for their families. And thats only 1 of the 21 new Obamacare taxes that are driving up costs & funneling people into lesser, downgraded insurance plans.

I guess he didn't read my link

 

[FAVREFAN]

I guess he didn't read my link

Some people just want to believe what they want to believe man.
Don't waste your breathe on this guy.
He doesn't want to hear or know the truth.
Bad at math too.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Maybe you should do the math. UPS payed $5,600 for me(Supposedly) 39 single male. $15-$19? No way pal. Not for single coverage. You could get it cheaper by yourself off the street with a provider. Family coverage will be taxed over $27,500. Quit spreading your GOP propaganda from Fox News.

Did you see that on your W2? Singles in our center have been as high as $19K. If insurance didn't rise over the next 5 years that would be around $4k tax for just on that one employees plan. Costs increase over time. I remember when drivers toped out at $18hr & now it's $32hr. It's a long term destruction of our employer plans. Socialism is very patient.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

So it's going to effect individual plans immediately in 2018 ($10,500 threashhold) & family plans eventually. With 6-8% increases every year, nearly every UPS family will qualify to have their employer provided plans taxed within a few years. Accepting it is only selling out future generations of UPSers that want good insurance for their families. And thats only 1 of the 21 new Obamacare taxes that are driving up costs & funneling people into lesser, downgraded insurance plans.

Some people just want to believe what they want to believe man.
Don't waste your breathe on this guy.
He doesn't want to hear or know the truth.
Bad at math too.

You are right.

Spending all ones energy to get the facts out to someone who disregards them anyway.

I need a little break, I'll check on later...

I wish you guys the best

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

I guess he didn't read my link

We are seeing the results play out as this contract unfolds,& you Obama guys are still in denial. Your guys sold us out. Plain & simple. If a Republican had passed legislation that was threatening our Teamster health plans our Union leaders would be loading people onto busses to take to D.C. to march around the capital & yell profanities. But since it's Obama, we'll just sweep this under the rug & pretend it never happened. Sad really...