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cachsux
Wah
No where near the solution.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
This tragedy had nothing to do with assault weapons or high capacity magazines or gun control, and everything to do with a broken mental health care system and a systemic failure within our military to prevent a disturbed individual from keeping a security clearance and having access to a supposedly well guarded facility. Although...had he been denied access to the Navy Yard he could have racked up the same body count simply by walking into the nearest school, mall, or other "gun free zone" where large numbers of unarmed and helpless victims would be conveniently concentrated for him.
Mental health is complicated and expensive and messy, though. It doesnt lend itself to simplistic, feel-good "solutions". Its a lot easier and cheaper to just pass a few more meaningless laws and come up with a few more meaningless restrictions that only the law-abiding will obey in the first place.
Mental health is complicated and expensive and messy, though. It doesnt lend itself to simplistic, feel-good "solutions". Its a lot easier and cheaper to just pass a few more meaningless laws and come up with a few more meaningless restrictions that only the law-abiding will obey in the first place.
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July of 2013.....it was renewed by someone.
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
It's been said before... blaming the NRA for this is like blaming the AAA for drunk driving accidents.
No, not exactly. While you may have thought this sounded cool, lets examine it.
First, the role of the AAA is to pay claims, insure motorists and provide roadside assistance. While they do encourage driving, they do so with SAFETY in mind. The are adamant about rules and regulations.
The NRA on the other hand, encourages more guns, more ammo, bigger guns, larger ammo for anyone regardless of mindset, psychological backgrounds or purpose. The NRA wants more people to shoot more people. The NRA's answer for all gun shootings is more guns for people to shoot back. The NRA is about deregulation and hates all rules.
On the other hand, the AAA doesnt recommend drivers hit other drivers when they get into an accident, or to go get drunk when they are hit by a drunk driver and hit them back.
Your suggestion is simply ludicrous.
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He doesn't really seem to be trolling. Just because some right wing mod labelled him as such, doesn't mean he is.
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
The NRA does not oppose restrictions on people with mental health issues. The NRA strongly advises, encourages, and administers countless firearms safety and training courses.
Why does the spokesperson for the NRA use these words?
"We have no national database of these lunatics... We have a completely cracked mentally ill system that's got these monsters walking the streets."
So the NRA wants a National database of lunatics, but not gun owners? How would you reconcile that?
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
Well it sounds to me like the system for tracking people with mental issues needs to be improved. That way the laws already in place would be able to work and prevent "legal" purchases by these people deemed to be a possible threat. That has been the position for a long time... to enforce laws already in place.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
What kinds of mental issues? That would be a pretty damn big list. I'm getting different numbers from different sites, but that system you speak of could potentially be "tracking" one in four people.Well it sounds to me like the system for tracking people with mental issues needs to be improved. That way the laws already in place would be able to work and prevent "legal" purchases by these people deemed to be a possible threat. That has been the position for a long time... to enforce laws already in place.
Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.[SUP]1[/SUP] When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.[SUP]2[/SUP] National Institute of Mental Health
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
I would hope schizophrenia is at the top of the priority list.
This is why countries like ISRAEL mandates all gun owners to undergo mental health testing every THREE YEARS in order to maintain a gun permit.
They also dont allow anything more than a pistol and 50 rounds.
If this country did the same, more than 70% of all gun owners would have to turn them in because they wouldnt pass the mental evaluation testing.
Its too bad we dont. It would save lives.
But, gun owners have the NRA to stand up and call for bigger and deadlier arms for private use, cause everyone knows that gun owners are the safest people in the country.
LOL.
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DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
What you're leaving out is that not all Israelis can own weapons even if they pass those tests. Only people who have served in the military for two years are allowed to own guns in Israel. So basically only the government and people sworn to protect it can have weapons.
Our nation is founded on a fear of government. I personally think that fear is justified.
Our "right" to bear arms is specifically written into a list of limits on the power of government.
The rights to freedom of speech, religion, bearing arms, and most importantly, privacy..... They all come with serious negative consequences, but these rights are necessary none the less.
I'm all for background checks, but mental testing is putting way too much faith in the ever evolving medical field of mental health. A couple decades ago homosexuality was considered a mental illness. You can't point to someone who has a family history, or genetic disposition to mental illness, and forbid them from owning a gun. You can't have one doctor making that kind of decision based on a few minutes "testing" someone. If someone commits a crime because of a mental illness, that's a different story.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben
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just an FYI.. your explanation about israel gun rights is wrong. Minimum age to possess a gun is age 27. Ex military can own a pistol sooner, but if you dont serve, the earliest you can get a pistol for the home is 27.
Every three years, gun owners have to renew their permits for those pistols. With a limitation of 50 rounds, israelis have to account for ALL used shells before attempting to purchase new ones.
People who are on drugs to control mental stability ( ridalin, lexapro, xanex and such ) are ALL forbidden to own guns in israel.
The same should apply here.
As to your "perceived" 2nd amendment rights, better look into the militia act of 1792. Written in the 2nd congress, right after the 2nd amendment was passed in 1791. This may help you understand what the purpose of the 2nd amendment really was.
GUNS are the evil of this country. Gun owners shoot people for no good reason whatsoever.
While our "resident" racists continue to point to black on black crime, they leave out the thousands of domestic shootings in this country each and every day committed by white people.
Its just more convenient to leave this factor out of gun homocides, while placing blame onto black people as a reason to own a gun.
"just fear the black man"... a battle cry of the white people since they freed the slaves.
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