Elon Musk Exposes the Hatred of Free Speech

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Nice, I like that.
Keep the left's panties in a wad.

 

[Poop Head]

Did he but it or what?

 

[Fred's Myth]

But do you consider disagreeing with your view an attack?

No, of course not.

Using epithets, slurs, and hateful descriptions of another’s faith is the antithesis of Christianity. I can honor your beliefs without embracing them myself.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Interesting that a Catholic quotes from the catechism and the Vatican rather than from the Bible. You tell us what your church tells you to believe.

Their answers are more eloquent and thoughtful than my own. Where do you find the response at odds with Scripture?

 

[BigGuy2732]

Even if we do use scripture, that isn’t what the scripture means, they will say. Which always means that it’s contrary to the traditional understanding of whatever it is for the first 1500 years of Christianity. Like for example, when Zwingli in a book of his brought up that the Christian faithful for 1500 years up until the Protestant revolt always believed unquestioningly that Christ was referring to his literal body and blood in John 6, he basically says that for 1500 years Christians got it entirely wrong.

That was the sticking point for me. I think even Luther said that the Eucharist is the single most agreed upon piece of Christian faith with absolute zero debate. And the Christian faith went through so much heresy and so much debate. There is not a single debate about the literal interpretation of John 6 anywhere. It can’t be ignored, and that’s why I became Catholic. For the Eucharist. The most universal Christian understanding of a sacrament until some dude named Zwingli was “guess they were just wrong.”

 

[BigGuy2732]

The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist is a good one to see the transition from the old and the New Testament, also.

Same author did Jewish roots of the Papacy as well. It’s a seamless transition. We are Christ’s Church. Feels so dang good to be home!

 

[BrownFlush]

Old testament when someone took a spotless lamb to the priest to have it's blood shed on their behalf.
They did as proscribed by law if they believed the blood of that spotless lamb would satisfy God.

In Exodus for the death angel to passover blood was placed on the door casing, it just happened to be in the likeness of a cross.

In the new testament God provided the spotless, unblemished Lamb, Jesus. Just as he supplied the sacrifice for Abraham. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.

God the father slaughtered another Lamb, on my behalf. God has been clear why His son was slain from the foundation of the world, to pay for my sin. I see the Lamb God provided, I believe why he was placed there, and the Blood God shed is accounted to me. His blood is credited to my account precisely the moment I believe exactly why His Lambs Blood was shed.

When I was water baptized it was merely a picture, outwardly, of an event that had already happened. I had already been placed in Jesus death, and raised to life.

You reject all I say here, and will count this as a non answer because it does not satisfy you.

Keep up the terms of your pardon, You are still under the Law of Moses.
The shed blood of Jesus is not sufficient for you, and there will not be another spotless Lamb, be on your P's and Q's.

All this mouthing and accusations and impugning motives and you failed to do what you said you would do. Just answer the question… 4th attempt …

How and when do the scriptures teach one comes in contact with the blood in order to receive the forgiveness of his sins because of his grace?

Can you answer ?

Jesus wasn't was around?

Scripture claims there was nothing made that was not made by Jesus.

Is that a correct statement?

Was Jesus around for all "dispensations?"

Not physically.
Before Abraham was, he was.

 

[BrownFlush]

Their answers are more eloquent and thoughtful than my own. Where do you find the response at odds with Scripture?

Always wondered about catholic catechism, methodist discipline , and baptist manuels, etc.
If they are what is in scripture, why do you want and need them? And, if they are not what is found in scripture, why would you want or need them?

 

[floridays]

All this mouthing and accusations and impugning motives and you failed to do what you said you would do. Just answer the question… 4th attempt …

Can you answer ?

Not physically.
Before Abraham was, he was.

You were taken to a blood filled river or lake and immersed, got it.
Abraham believed God

I answered the question, just not to you liking as I predicted.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

“And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.


1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believe on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I'll take the Blood is applied upon belief for 500 Alex.

 

[Poop Head]

@monkeybutt

 

[floridays]

Always wondered about catholic catechism, methodist discipline , and baptist manuels, etc.
If they are what is in scripture, why do you want and need them? And, if they are not what is found in scripture, why would you want or need them?

I don't know, why does your bunch promote your twisted version of scripture?
I'll remind you of the cut and paste you claimed credit for until I busted you before you respond with a non responsive response.

 

[floridays]

@monkeybutt

Where is that ape?

 

[BrownFlush]

You were taken to a blood filled river or lake and immersed, got it.
Abraham believed God

I answered the question, just not to you liking as I predicted.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

“And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.


1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believe on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I'll take the Blood is applied upon belief for 500 Alex.

So at the point of a mental assent that you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.. the blood is applied.

No , I accept Jesus as my personal savior, come into my life prayer?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Always wondered about catholic catechism, methodist discipline , and baptist manuels, etc.
If they are what is in scripture, why do you want and need them? And, if they are not what is found in scripture, why would you want or need them?

Ever pick up a book written in a foreign language? Were you able to translate it? Did your translation take into consideration the nuances of the language in the era it was written?

Or did you seek the advice and understanding of an expert in the field, in order that you might understand more fully what the author intended to render...

 

[BrownFlush]

Ever pick up a book written in a foreign language? Were you able to translate it? Did your translation take into consideration the nuances of the language in the era it was written?

Or did you seek the advice and understanding of an expert in the field, in order that you might understand more fully what the author intended to render...

Commentaries from scholars and different translations that keep up with the language of the era did it for me.

 

[floridays]

So at the point of a mental assent that you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.. the blood is applied.

There isn't even a , I accept Jesus as my personal savior, come into my life prayer?

No, at the point where God knows my/anyones belief and trust in His word is true, it's real faith.
You wouldn't understand, you don't trust the finished work of the cross.

I am well aware of a situation when someone believed but Jesus did not commit himself.

 

[BrownFlush]

No, at the point where God knows my/anyones belief and trust in His word is true, it's real faith.
You wouldn't understand, you don't trust the finished work of the cross.

I am well aware of a situation when someone believed but Jesus did not commit himself.

I understand we certainly disagree with what the Bible teaches.
You take cake now.

 

[floridays]

Commentaries from scholars and different translations that keep up with the language of the era did it for me.

Where can I find the stuff that you plagarized earlier. I don't want to expend the effort a second time to find it.

 

[BrownFlush]

Business Insider via YahooElon Musk says the interests of Twitter's board members are 'simply not aligned with shareholders' as the company continues its push to prevent a takeover by the billionaireMusk is Twitter's largest individual shareholder and made a $43 billion offer to buy the company. Twitter pushed back by adopting a "poison pill" defense .

His net worth is 250 Billion he can buy it.
Back on line.

 

[vantexan]

Their answers are more eloquent and thoughtful than my own. Where do you find the response at odds with Scripture?

I'd have to look at it closer. Truth is everyone has their.beliefs and aren't likely to change. As I've mentioned before I have my doubts based on a number of things so it's fruitless arguing over something that I'm not 100% sure of. Happy Easter.