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rickyb

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Ben Norton‏Verified account @BenjaminNorton




There are two options: socialism or barbarism. And capitalists much prefer barbarism Fascism is here, in Brazil and beyond. And spineless liberals hand-wringing about "incivility" are useless to fight it It was communists who defeated fascism the first time, as it will be again

Capitalists are salivating over the restoration of fascism in Brazil--which was supported by the capitalist West during the Cold War and will enjoy that support once again It is not at all hyperbolic to say we only have two options: socialism or barbarism




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Brazil's new president elect, Jair Bolsonaro, is a right-winger who leans towards more open markets. This could mean fresh opportunities for Canadian companies looking to invest in the resource-rich country. What a far-right Bolsonaro presidency in Brazil means for Canadian business | CBC News


Ben Norton‏Verified account @BenjaminNorton 14h14 hours ago

Capitalism's mouthpiece, the aptly named Wall Street Journal, is happily welcoming in Brazilian fascist Bolsonaro, who wants to murder leftists and LGBT people


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Srećko Horvat‏ @HorvatSrecko 12h12 hours ago




The world is becoming darker, and with it the necessity for progressives around the world to unite and resist is becoming more urgent. #Bolsonaro (image courtesy of @avilarenata)

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Intercepted Podcast: Chris Hedges on Elections, ‘Christian Fascists,’ and the Rot Within the American System

JS: You know, it’s been interesting and I think extremely disturbing to watch how Trump, Pence, certainly Jeff Sessions, their preferred audience, certainly in the case of Trump is not the troops. He has yet to set foot in a foreign war zone which is fairly unheard-of particularly, post-9/11 for the commander-in-chief. But he’s always talking to sheriffs somewhere or police officers somewhere. And you and I both know from our reporting going back decades, there is a large contingent of white supremacists in the U.S. military and certainly among police officers, and sheriffs, and others. But what Trump and company are doing is really showing – and Trump said it the other day, where you know, where are my bikers, my cops? They listed off and you do get a sense that they know they have their “Brown Shirts” that are actually in official uniforms that when the day comes are going to be on their side no matter what the African-American put in as their captain tells them to do or not to do.

CH: Yeah, that’s true. You know, rhetoric is important. So, we’re watching Trump incite violence because none of his policies have any support. His tax cuts don’t have support, his assault on Obamacare, his refusal to raise the minimum wage. None of this has any. All he has is hate and that’s the only weapon he’ll use. And I look at this attempt to decapitate, in essence, murder the Democratic leadership through these pipe bombs as very, very ominous because I saw it in Yugoslavia. And not only will this continue and expand, but ultimately it will be successful.

And that’s the only language they have because they’re not a majoritarian movement. Even the Nazis were never a majoritarian movement. I think the highest percentage of votes they got was about 43 percent and it was a declining after that.

JS: Why do you say it’s going to succeed?

CH: Because they can marshal the forces of violence and they can decapitate already extremely weakened opposition movements. So, you know, the only real opposition movement that the Nazis had was the Communist party, but we don’t even have a Communist party. We don’t have a militant reaction. So, we’re far weaker and far more vulnerable. Our labor unions are spent. I mean labor strikes, even the Nazis which were very anti-union had to support the strikes in Berlin because they knew that if they didn’t everybody would go into the arms of the Communists. So, we don’t even have that.
 
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sounds like alot of the people on BC:

CH: The most important lesson having come out of distressed societies, disintegrating societies is that every — societies are extremely fragile. And that the facade of that society will often appear monolithic and powerful but that they crumble from within and that’s where we are. And I think people have an emotionally hard time grasping that what seems so solid and permanent is in fact, ephemeral. So, especially among the educated elites. So, I wasn’t in Sarajevo at the inception of the war, but I was in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo, during the inception of the war and I would be out in the countryside and be stopped by the Kosovo Liberation Army and get back and tell my friends in Pristina who were multilingual, highly educated that I’d been stopped and they said “No, no the Kosovo Liberation Army doesn’t exist. It’s just created by the Serbs to justify oppression.” They had no idea what was happening until literally they were hauled out of their apartments by Serbian paramilitary and put on boxcars to Macedonia. And I think that that is the most important lesson.

I mean, coming out of places like Sarajevo. I can walk into a supermarket and I wouldn’t call it a flashback, but I know what it looks like with all of the windows broken, and nothing on the shelves, and garbage all over the floor, and we’re not immune from that. I watched these ridiculous buffoonish figures like Radovan Karadzic who was every bit as buffoonish as Donald Trump and I would go back. Remember the Nazis were also buffoonish.

JS: This is the Bosnian Serb leader.

CH: Right, the Bosnian Serb leader. And often funny. I mean, they were funny. Milosevic, by the way, was quite funny, which a lot of people didn’t know.
 
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rickyb said:
sounds like alot of the people on BC:

CH: The most important lesson having come out of distressed societies, disintegrating societies is that every — societies are extremely fragile. And that the facade of that society will often appear monolithic and powerful but that they crumble from within and that’s where we are. And I think people have an emotionally hard time grasping that what seems so solid and permanent is in fact, ephemeral. So, especially among the educated elites. So, I wasn’t in Sarajevo at the inception of the war, but I was in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo, during the inception of the war and I would be out in the countryside and be stopped by the Kosovo Liberation Army and get back and tell my friends in Pristina who were multilingual, highly educated that I’d been stopped and they said “No, no the Kosovo Liberation Army doesn’t exist. It’s just created by the Serbs to justify oppression.” They had no idea what was happening until literally they were hauled out of their apartments by Serbian paramilitary and put on boxcars to Macedonia. And I think that that is the most important lesson.

I mean, coming out of places like Sarajevo. I can walk into a supermarket and I wouldn’t call it a flashback, but I know what it looks like with all of the windows broken, and nothing on the shelves, and garbage all over the floor, and we’re not immune from that. I watched these ridiculous buffoonish figures like Radovan Karadzic who was every bit as buffoonish as Donald Trump and I would go back. Remember the Nazis were also buffoonish.

JS: This is the Bosnian Serb leader.

CH: Right, the Bosnian Serb leader. And often funny. I mean, they were funny. Milosevic, by the way, was quite funny, which a lot of people didn’t know.
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That's interesting, you attack the British for bombing Serbia, but then this post points out the Naziish actions of the Serbians. Serbs brought the NATK attacks upon themselves.
 
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vantexan said:
That's interesting, you attack the British for bombing Serbia, but then this post points out the Naziish actions of the Serbians. Serbs brought the NATK attacks upon themselves.
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i thought you might like this post. im unfamiliar with that war but i trust my sources
 
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Paul Sliker‏ @psliker 3h3 hours ago



Paul Sliker Retweeted Austin Petersen

Wrong. A basic reading of history would help. Fascists often call themselves socialists in order to co-opt the left’s rhetoric attacking the status quo.

They supplant the left when the left fails to provide a meaningful alternative policy or agenda to the status quo.

Paul Sliker added,


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Socialists and Fascists Have Always Been Kissing Cousins Socialists and Fascists Have Always Been Kissing Cousins …
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hanz landa in inglorious basterds calls himself a detective and he is a nazi.

likewise the FBI and police depts are fascists too when you consider how theyve terrorized minorities and activists.
 
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rickyb said:
hanz landa in inglorious basterds calls himself a detective and he is a nazi.

likewise the FBI and police depts are fascists too when you consider how theyve terrorized minorities and activists.
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They also slaughtered Hitler and the Nazi leadership in "Inglorious Bastards." Did that actually happen? Why do you persist in taking screen writers' interpretation of history as fact? They have at least one of two goals: to entertain in hopes of making money, and to steer your beliefs towards what they want you to believe if you don't already. People who get manipulated this way often end up thinking our leadership are facists, or Nazis, and would turn this country into facist hellhole. Unfortunately in this day and age propagandists who continue to push ideas like socialism, which consistently has been proven to not work, have platforms like social media to push this extremism. And it's easy to see how quickly it spreads amongst young, impressionable minds. It looks to me that the country will eventually go down this path, and only then after many years of suffering will we find our way back to what actually feeds, clothes, and houses the most people, and gives opportunities for a better life.
 
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It will be fine said:
He thinks Zero Dark Thirty is a documentary.
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Obama's administration certainly thought so. They questioned the producers and director about where they got their info. By the way people who actually fought at Benghazi advised on the Benghazi movie. Doubt very seriously "Inglorious Bastards" was based on anything but that there was a war and Nazis did hate Jews.
 
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Obama's administration certainly thought so. They questioned the producers and director about where they got their info. By the way people who actually fought at Benghazi advised on the Benghazi movie. Doubt very seriously "Inglorious Bastards" was based on anything but that there was a war and Nazis did hate Jews.
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Lol.
I'm just messing with you, I already knew you were a hypocrite.
Carry on.
 
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vantexan said:
They also slaughtered Hitler and the Nazi leadership in "Inglorious Bastards." Did that actually happen? Why do you persist in taking screen writers' interpretation of history as fact? They have at least one of two goals: to entertain in hopes of making money, and to steer your beliefs towards what they want you to believe if you don't already. People who get manipulated this way often end up thinking our leadership are facists, or Nazis, and would turn this country into facist hellhole. Unfortunately in this day and age propagandists who continue to push ideas like socialism, which consistently has been proven to not work, have platforms like social media to push this extremism. And it's easy to see how quickly it spreads amongst young, impressionable minds. It looks to me that the country will eventually go down this path, and only then after many years of suffering will we find our way back to what actually feeds, clothes, and houses the most people, and gives opportunities for a better life.
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vantexan said:
They also slaughtered Hitler and the Nazi leadership in "Inglorious Bastards." Did that actually happen? Why do you persist in taking screen writers' interpretation of history as fact? They have at least one of two goals: to entertain in hopes of making money, and to steer your beliefs towards what they want you to believe if you don't already. People who get manipulated this way often end up thinking our leadership are facists, or Nazis, and would turn this country into facist hellhole. Unfortunately in this day and age propagandists who continue to push ideas like socialism, which consistently has been proven to not work, have platforms like social media to push this extremism. And it's easy to see how quickly it spreads amongst young, impressionable minds. It looks to me that the country will eventually go down this path, and only then after many years of suffering will we find our way back to what actually feeds, clothes, and houses the most people, and gives opportunities for a better life.
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these movies are stories but it doesnt mean they arent partially based on real life or that we cant learn anything from them.

learning is about discovery not what we cover, so when they made the matrix, instead of making a documentary about real life, they make this movie full of metaphors and symbolism and some of the deeper messages are only revealed when you think or already have heard a bunch of other ideas of life.

its much more interesting telling a story.

specifically im thinking the FBI is closer to the SS. they are both state organizations.

if we trust wikipedia it says "From 1929 until the regime's collapse in 1945, the SS was the foremost agency of security, surveillance, and terror" , "They were tasked with the detection of actual or potential enemies of the Nazi state, the neutralization of any opposition, policing the German people for their commitment to Nazi ideology, and providing domestic and foreign intelligence."
 
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rickyb said:
these movies are stories but it doesnt mean they arent partially based on real life or that we cant learn anything from them.

learning is about discovery not what we cover, so when they made the matrix, instead of making a documentary about real life, they make this movie full of metaphors and symbolism and some of the deeper messages are only revealed when you think or already have heard a bunch of other ideas of life.

its much more interesting telling a story.

specifically im thinking the FBI is closer to the SS. they are both state organizations.

if we trust wikipedia it says "From 1929 until the regime's collapse in 1945, the SS was the foremost agency of security, surveillance, and terror" , "They were tasked with the detection of actual or potential enemies of the Nazi state, the neutralization of any opposition, policing the German people for their commitment to Nazi ideology, and providing domestic and foreign intelligence."
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Except in no way is our FBI operating like the SS. The secret police forces of the Soviet Union and it's satellites were very much like the SS. That's the point, authoritarian states use such forces to maintain power. The FBI is tasked with solving certain kinds of crime and to prevent spying within our borders.
 
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vantexan said:
Except in no way is our FBI operating like the SS. The secret police forces of the Soviet Union and it's satellites were very much like the SS. That's the point, authoritarian states use such forces to maintain power. The FBI is tasked with solving certain kinds of crime and to prevent spying within our borders.
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western democracies have more in common with authoritarian states than we know. i think chomsky refers to the FBI as the political police.

were propagandized to look at differences instead of similarities.
 
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rickyb said:
western democracies have more in common with authoritarian states than we know. i think chomsky refers to the FBI as the political police.

were propagandized to look at differences instead of similarities.
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The FBI isn't breaking down doors in the middle of the night to drag away someone who criticized the president. No matter how much you want it to be so it isn't. The last administration harassed, threatened jail of some of their critics. They learned fast that they couldn't get away with it.
 
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