FedEx Ground

[bbsam]

And fedex claims that the model they use is legal. We all heard that before. Oh wait- maybe you didn't hear- fedex lies

Do you think that all things included, legal battles, millions in lawsuit settlement, etc., do you think X doesn't still find this model highly lucrative?

Hell, they can probably budget in millions a year for legal settlements and not blink an eye.

Maybe you haven't heard. X likes using contractors.

 

[Cactus]

Maybe you haven't heard. X likes using contractors.

Note the absence of the word "independent."

 

[bbsam]

Note the absence of the word "independent."

independent enough for me to volunteer at the soccer club.

 

[MrFedEx]

Things take time. Don't be so sure things aren't in the works already.

Boris here. Me and Sergei no liking the way you talk about Ground. We making big cash and love Mr. Smith a lot. Yeah, sure. Maybe we cut a few corners on the trucks and work our guys a few hours extra. You no like? Maybe we meet up and convince you with baseball bat and pliers that business model is legal.

Hahhahaha! Phooey on you little man.

 

[MrFedEx]

I think I will. This thing could be busted wide open under RICO laws. HaHaHa.

And fedex claims that the model they use is legal. We all heard that before. Oh wait- maybe you didn't hear- fedex lies

They DO lie. All the time, and about anything that threatens them or Fred's money. The scam will unravel. Having the GOP implode in the November will be helpful, and they seem well on their way.

 

[Cactus]

independent enough for me to volunteer at the soccer club.

Soccer club? Well that's nice but doesn't require a lot of hours. Unless you really milk it.

 

[bbsam]

Soccer club? Well that's nice but doesn't require a lot of hours. Unless you really milk it.

11 fields mowed, strung and painted weekly. It could be done quickly but it looks crappy.

 

[dmac1]

Do you think that all things included, legal battles, millions in lawsuit settlement, etc., do you think X doesn't still find this model highly lucrative?

Hell, they can probably budget in millions a year for legal settlements and not blink an eye.

Maybe you haven't heard. X likes using contractors.

Some stockholders are a little nervous about a quarter billion in lost profit in just one state, covering just a few years. When a company starts paying out sums that could total BILLIONS instead of millions, it does affect stock value. And fedex still hasn't charged off that loss. The 1/4 billion dollar California settlement shook up the whole transport industry.

 

[bbsam]

Some stockholders are a little nervous about a quarter billion in lost profit in just one state, covering just a few years. When a company starts paying out sums that could total BILLIONS instead of millions, it does affect stock value. And fedex still hasn't charged off that loss. The 1/4 billion dollar California settlement shook up the whole transport industry.

Are companies fleeing the use of contractors?

 

[bacha29]

For the time being Congress will not address the definition of just what exactly is an "independent contractor" . Both the legislative and executive branches have their hands full just trying to deal with an expanding and ever more complex technology driven global economy with which they understand little. Therefore at least in the near term they will leave it up to state legislatures along with state and federal courts to fight over it. Over time the legal fees will pile up for X but if the end justifies the means X will continue to chalk it up to the cost of doing business. One must keep in mind however, the inclusion of Uber, Lyft and other similar entrants into the fray will certainly draw more public attention to the issue which in and of itself could be a formidable opponent going forward.

 

[Bounty]

Are companies fleeing the use of contractors?

Not at all. It's just X doesn't understand that if they want to use independent contractors they cannot control how contractors train, hire, fire and pay their employees as long as the contractor abides by the law that should be good enough. But X must control you.

 

[bbsam]

Not at all. It's just X doesn't understand that if they want to use independent contractors they cannot control how contractors train, hire, fire and pay their employees as long as the contractor abides by the law that should be good enough. But X must control you.

If you are correct, they will have to change again. But if past is any indication, they will simply change the Agreement to follow the letter of the law.

 

[bbsam]

For the time being Congress will not address the definition of just what exactly is an "independent contractor" . Both the legislative and executive branches have their hands full just trying to deal with an expanding and ever more complex technology driven global economy with which they understand little. Therefore at least in the near term they will leave it up to state legislatures along with state and federal courts to fight over it. Over time the legal fees will pile up for X but if the end justifies the means X will continue to chalk it up to the cost of doing business. One must keep in mind however, the inclusion of Uber, Lyft and other similar entrants into the fray will certainly draw more public attention to the issue which in and of itself could be a formidable opponent going forward.

My prediction is that Uber, Lyft, and others will be pressured into doing business more like Ground, not the other way around.

 

[bacha29]

If so it will mean that Uber and lyft will become more restrictive and controlling. As it exists right now Lyft and Uber drivers control the number of days and number of hours they want to put it over the course of a week. If required to operate like X ground they will have to be available for service every day.

 

[bbsam]

If so it will mean that Uber and lyft will become more restrictive and controlling. As it exists right now Lyft and Uber drivers control the number of days and number of hours they want to put it over the course of a week. If required to operate like X ground they will have to be available for service every day.

I'm not available every day. I've got peeps for that.

 

[bacha29]

Peeps? Don't you mean mules?

 

[FedGT]

I call mine minions

Mules are much more obedient and trustworthy than the standard American worker.

 

[Bounty]

I call mine minions

Mules are much more obedient and trustworthy than the standard American worker.

Why don't you leave the country and find workers from another country..........please

 

[bbsam]

Peeps? Don't you mean mules?

By that deflection I assume you are grudgingly accepting that in this way I may actually be a contractor.

 

[dmac1]

Are companies fleeing the use of contractors?

Yes- read the news. Amazon switched from phony contractors to employees after just two months in one of their new 2 hour delivery service area.