Dragon
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Remember the original poster stated he "crunched the top of the UPS truck". Assuming he had to go down the driveway and there was no way to avoid the limbs, why not just adjust his speed?
Fired Over a Tier 1 Property Damage Accident
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Remember the original poster stated he "crunched the top of the UPS truck". Assuming he had to go down the driveway and there was no way to avoid the limbs, why not just adjust his speed?
Why doesnt anyone focus on the "incident" itself. Everyone wants to get to a conclusion first and then ask questions later. Ive read nothing but conclusions about coming back and winning his case, despite the fact that we dont know the "FACTS".
Lets start with this.
Why was he fired? Could it be, that it was his 3rd accident in 9 months? Could it be, that it went unreported? Could it be, that he "lied" about the circumstances when he called it in?
We need the answers to this first.
Second, Why was he on a private driveway in the first place? We dont do driveways. Was he "instructed" to drive on driveways, or was he "instructed" to stay off driveways?
Third, In his "BRIEF" 4 year career, how many accidents has he had? How many tier 1's, how many tier 2's, how many tier 3's?
Fourth, What does his "total" disicpline picture look like? What is in his pittsburg? He mentions that he was already on a working discharge for failing to go help out another driver, but I wonder how many other pieces of discipline "litter" his package? How does a 4 year driver "refuse" to help out?
A 4 year driver better understand that he "IS" the "HELP" and not some wonderboy who gets to go home. I dont care what his dispatch is. At 4 years, he's the help.
Fifth, he says in his original post that the customer said "dont worry , its only bark". But who did he say that too? Him or the supervisor? Further, how does this make his case any less serious? Sure the tree lost some bark, but the truck was damaged and probably needed to be repaired. What dollar damage does that amount too?
Once you have all the answers to these questions fully, can anyone make a suggestion to him that he will return.
I question his judgement. Was he on his cell phone when he hit the low branch? Was he on that driveway in the DARK in his 11 hour dispatch and he couldnt get the big pitcure?
No 4 year driver should be on a working discharge and a discharge for an accident in less than 9 months without being a trouble maker.
FIND THE ANSWERS.
Peace.
Lets start with this.
Why was he fired? Could it be, that it was his 3rd accident in 9 months? Could it be, that it went unreported? Could it be, that he "lied" about the circumstances when he called it in?
We need the answers to this first.
Second, Why was he on a private driveway in the first place? We dont do driveways. Was he "instructed" to drive on driveways, or was he "instructed" to stay off driveways?
Third, In his "BRIEF" 4 year career, how many accidents has he had? How many tier 1's, how many tier 2's, how many tier 3's?
Fourth, What does his "total" disicpline picture look like? What is in his pittsburg? He mentions that he was already on a working discharge for failing to go help out another driver, but I wonder how many other pieces of discipline "litter" his package? How does a 4 year driver "refuse" to help out?
A 4 year driver better understand that he "IS" the "HELP" and not some wonderboy who gets to go home. I dont care what his dispatch is. At 4 years, he's the help.
Fifth, he says in his original post that the customer said "dont worry , its only bark". But who did he say that too? Him or the supervisor? Further, how does this make his case any less serious? Sure the tree lost some bark, but the truck was damaged and probably needed to be repaired. What dollar damage does that amount too?
Once you have all the answers to these questions fully, can anyone make a suggestion to him that he will return.
I question his judgement. Was he on his cell phone when he hit the low branch? Was he on that driveway in the DARK in his 11 hour dispatch and he couldnt get the big pitcure?
No 4 year driver should be on a working discharge and a discharge for an accident in less than 9 months without being a trouble maker.
FIND THE ANSWERS.
Peace.
packagemandan
Active Member
Never seen a driver terminated for a minor accident with no external monetary damage, as for your suspension your refuseing to help should have been grieved and settled at worst for a warning letter. Never settle in an office for a suspension before you have had a warning letter, as for termination on the accident I highly doubt they will. Can't stack discipline from an accident and a refusal to help, seperate infractions. Be very careful from now on and take the walk don't drive into any driveways it's against all your methods.
If someone says don't drive into driveways again, I'm gonna lose my mind. So you people are telling me you'll do a 15 minute walk off on seperate 30 stops, like some routes have. Sometimes the driveway is the only place to turn around at the end of the road. Next time I go down a road with just a driveway at the end, I'm just going to sit there all day and rock back and forth. Since im just a robot in a static environment, this does not compute and I will malfunction.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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There needs to be a more clear definition of what a "driveway" is. I deliver in the city so the driveway issue is not an issue; however, when I had my country run, there were some "driveways" that were easily a mile long. It is my understanding that the directive to stay out of residential driveways is based on the driveways found in most residential neighborhoods, which are typically less than 100' long.
I had a residential delivery of a 5 piece bed yesterday. The driveway was about 50' long. The size and weight of the packages dictated that I back in to the driveway. I could have parked on the road and used the handcart but it made more sense to back in.
I had a residential delivery of a 5 piece bed yesterday. The driveway was about 50' long. The size and weight of the packages dictated that I back in to the driveway. I could have parked on the road and used the handcart but it made more sense to back in.
gman042
Been around the block a few times
Independent thinking is not condoned by UPS. It would seem that your assimilation is yet incomplete. Please submit yourself for proper conditioning.
rocket man
Well-Known Member
where was your shop rep if you were told that with out a shop rep they violiated your rights and a federal offence your weingarten wrights. when are you or any one goona learn your shop rep and your union is the only one you talk to.
I'm confused. You contradict yourself in the same paragraph.
It is a good sign that you will be going in 20 minutes early though.
Refusing to work as instructed will get you walked to the gate every time around here.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Work as directed and grieve later.
Coldworld
Well-Known Member
What would you grieve???
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
It is my understanding that they can't send you back out once you have made it back to the building.
Coldworld
Well-Known Member
Is this nationwide or written into a local rider or such...
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
...I honestly do not know if it is even part of the contract--that's why I used the "It is my understanding" part...
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Extra work can be accepted or declined on the basis of seniority. If he is back at the building and there is extra work that he does not want to do and a lower seniority person is available, then the low guy gets stuck with it.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Suppose he is all by himself---what would you advise him to do?
Buck Fifty
Well-Known Member
Go to work !!!
I'm assuming that you have language in your supplement that specifically states that you can decline work in this manner? I'm curious how many supplements have this type of language.
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