G.O.P. Debate 11-22-11

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Neither was daddy or baby Bush but everyone calls them Texans. I wasn't born in Georgia but yet I'm called and I call myself a Georgian so get over it!

Besides no one called anyone native to begin with although in Rick Perry's case, he is!

I don't consider Bush Sr to be a Texan. Bush Jr certainly is.

Both of my children were born in Texas but are not Texans.

 

[trplnkl]

I don't consider Bush Sr to be a Texan. Bush Jr certainly is.

Both of my children were born in Texas but are not Texans.

They still have the birth right. but you don't, you would have to take the naturalization test.

 

[trplnkl]

Socialism? Please tell me how we are even remotely "socialist". There is a huge gulf between that which is progressive, and that which is socialist. You are mis-using the word. Obama isn't even close.

0 isn't even close?? yea right. I think a more appropriate word would be "consistent " .

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

They still have the birth right. but you don't, you would have to take the naturalization test.

Would that involve havng to drink a 12 pack of Lone Star and rounding up illegals?

 

[trplnkl]

Would that involve havng to drink a 12 pack of Lone Star and rounding up illegals?

Of course not....but maybe it should. I think I'll recommend that the naturalization committee. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I enjoyed the four years I spent in your beautiful state.

 

[moreluck]

Simply, if you want to redistribute the wealth .............remember Obama's words to Joe the Plumber..spread it around? That makes you a socialist to me.
If you earn it, once taxes are paid (render to Caesar etc.) you get to keep it, spend it, give it away, eat it or whatever you want.

 

[trplnkl]

I enjoyed the four years I spent in your beautiful state.

Thank you and you are welcome to come back anytime. I'll even buy you Zieggenbock (much better than Lone Star).

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Thank you and you are welcome to come back anytime. I'll even buy you Zieggenbock (much better than Lone Star).

I would love to see the new Cowboy Stadium to see what $1B buys these days. I would be curious to see what changes have taken place at the former Reese AFB but don't really miss Lubbock or Amarillo. I enjoyed the Riverwalk in San Antonio. I never made it to Austin.

I still find it amazing that you can drive 12-14 hours east to west and still be in the state.

 

[trplnkl]

I would love to see the new Cowboy Stadium to see what $1B buys these days. I would be curious to see what changes have taken place at the former Reese AFB but don't really miss Lubbock or Amarillo. I enjoyed the Riverwalk in San Antonio. I never made it to Austin.

I still find it amazing that you can drive 12-14 hours east to west and still be in the state.

LOL, north to south too. Reese is now an industrial complex and I think they still have some South Plains College courses out there. I think they still operate the golf course too. The runways are just used for ground transport now. There really isn't much to do in Lubbock for tourists except for two museums. The whole picture of Lubbock has changed some, a new freeway and a redevelopment of a residential area close to Tech. Other wise, nothing to see. LOL...but it's home.

I hear the new Cowboy stadium is quite grand. The Riverwalk is pretty cool for an evening. I avoid Austin and the DFW areas, too many people going too many places at once for my liking.

 

[Catatonic]

Socialism? Please tell me how we are even remotely "socialist". There is a huge gulf between that which is progressive, and that which is socialist. You are mis-using the word. Obama isn't even close.

I've been through this before.
I will repeat it again for you.
Yes I am aware of what Socialism is as defined as a type of government - the USSR and China are examples of countries that had a Socialist type of government.
However, it has become commonplace for the Governments of Western Europe and their Political parties to call themselves Socialists.
That is what 99.99% of the population of the Earth now refer to Socialists and Socialism.
A few college professors may define Socialism in the arcane way to which you refer. The other people who refuse to use the modern use of the words of Socialism and Socialist are people like you who try and deflect from the subject being discussed because you heard some wonk on TV say it.

Nice attempt at deflection but it is an old, worn out record and Obama is a Socialist is the modern use of the word.

If you don't think that the modern use of the words Socialism and Socialist are being used correctly, take it up with the countries in Western Europe who call themselves Socialist.

And by the way, I believe I have heard you and TOS refer to to Bush and Republicans as Fascists while Obama is really much more of a Fascist. Go research that as your TV wonks will never say that on TV.

Socialism as used in Western Europe means that the Government is heavily involved in the way business is conducted and even more involved in the welfare of their citizens.
Examples of Western Style Socialism:
Social Security
Welfare
Medicare
Medicaid
National Healthcare (Obamacare)
Government bailout of GM
Government bailout of the banks and particular - which banks

And on and on.

BTW - and I posted this on BC years ago, I think of Bush Jr as a Socialist and in no way a conservative. Many people are beginning to look at him in the same way now.

I have no problem with Socialist policies as long as they are small efforts and do not ransack the hard-working achievers of the world to support the lazy and non-achievers of the world.

You and TOS can keep your heads buried in the sands of the early and mid-1800's with your reference to arcane and obsolete definitions of Government types or you can join the rest of the world in modernity.

 

[Lue C Fur]

I have no problem with Socialist policies as long as they are small efforts and do not ransack the hard-working achievers of the world to support the lazy and non-achievers of the world.

+1.

 

[klein]

I wouldn't even call Europe as socialist as the North American unions are.

Atleast in Germany, even though you belong to a Union, doesn't mean you get the same pay as the person (driver) next to you.
Companies in Europe pay over the union rates.
Which means it's performance paced, or how much hard work and effort you do on the job.

Nothing illegal about companies wanting to pay a bit more for their own best union workers ! - But not so here !

 

[Catatonic]

I wouldn't even call Europe as socialist as the North American unions are.

Atleast in Germany, even though you belong to a Union, doesn't mean you get the same pay as the person (driver) next to you.
Companies in Europe pay over the union rates.
Which means it's performance paced, or how much hard work and effort you do on the job.

Nothing illegal about companies wanting to pay a bit more for their own best union workers ! - But not so here !

Holy crap! We agree on something.

 

[MrFedEx]

I've been through this before.
I will repeat it again for you.
Yes I am aware of what Socialism is as defined as a type of government - the USSR and China are examples of countries that had a Socialist type of government.
However, it has become commonplace for the Governments of Western Europe and their Political parties to call themselves Socialists.
That is what 99.99% of the population of the Earth now refer to Socialists and Socialism.
A few college professors may define Socialism in the arcane way to which you refer. The other people who refuse to use the modern use of the words of Socialism and Socialist are people like you who try and deflect from the subject being discussed because you heard some wonk on TV say it.

Nice attempt at deflection but it is an old, worn out record and Obama is a Socialist is the modern use of the word.

If you don't think that the modern use of the words Socialism and Socialist are being used correctly, take it up with the countries in Western Europe who call themselves Socialist.

And by the way, I believe I have heard you and TOS refer to to Bush and Republicans as Fascists while Obama is really much more of a Fascist. Go research that as your TV wonks will never say that on TV.

Socialism as used in Western Europe means that the Government is heavily involved in the way business is conducted and even more involved in the welfare of their citizens.
Examples of Western Style Socialism:
Social Security
Welfare
Medicare
Medicaid
National Healthcare (Obamacare)
Government bailout of GM
Government bailout of the banks and particular - which banks

And on and on.

BTW - and I posted this on BC years ago, I think of Bush Jr as a Socialist and in no way a conservative. Many people are beginning to look at him in the same way now.

I have no problem with Socialist policies as long as they are small efforts and do not ransack the hard-working achievers of the world to support the lazy and non-achievers of the world.

You and TOS can keep your heads buried in the sands of the early and mid-1800's with your reference to arcane and obsolete definitions of Government types or you can join the rest of the world in modernity.

Sorry, not buying it here. I would reverse it and say that Righties are mired in the past and cannot embrace modernity.

 

[MrFedEx]

I've been through this before.
I will repeat it again for you.
Yes I am aware of what Socialism is as defined as a type of government - the USSR and China are examples of countries that had a Socialist type of government.
However, it has become commonplace for the Governments of Western Europe and their Political parties to call themselves Socialists.
That is what 99.99% of the population of the Earth now refer to Socialists and Socialism.
A few college professors may define Socialism in the arcane way to which you refer. The other people who refuse to use the modern use of the words of Socialism and Socialist are people like you who try and deflect from the subject being discussed because you heard some wonk on TV say it.

Nice attempt at deflection but it is an old, worn out record and Obama is a Socialist is the modern use of the word.

If you don't think that the modern use of the words Socialism and Socialist are being used correctly, take it up with the countries in Western Europe who call themselves Socialist.

And by the way, I believe I have heard you and TOS refer to to Bush and Republicans as Fascists while Obama is really much more of a Fascist. Go research that as your TV wonks will never say that on TV.

Socialism as used in Western Europe means that the Government is heavily involved in the way business is conducted and even more involved in the welfare of their citizens.
Examples of Western Style Socialism:
Social Security
Welfare
Medicare
Medicaid
National Healthcare (Obamacare)
Government bailout of GM
Government bailout of the banks and particular - which banks

And on and on.

BTW - and I posted this on BC years ago, I think of Bush Jr as a Socialist and in no way a conservative. Many people are beginning to look at him in the same way now.

I have no problem with Socialist policies as long as they are small efforts and do not ransack the hard-working achievers of the world to support the lazy and non-achievers of the world.

You and TOS can keep your heads buried in the sands of the early and mid-1800's with your reference to arcane and obsolete definitions of Government types or you can join the rest of the world in modernity.

To compare the Obama administration with Fascist governments is nonsense. WW2 Italy and Germany had total integration of the state and industry, a far cry from bailouts and temporary partial ownership. Try reading a few history books instead of regurgitating commentary from the usual conspiratory fruitcakes on the Right. My head isn't in the sand, and neither are those of Republicans. Theirs are in a place that is dark and rather stinky because the sun never shines there. Ours are in a place called reality.

 

[bbsam]

With all the hatred of socialism going around, I think it only fitting to point out that very few around here would like to live in a purely capitalistic society.

 

[trplnkl]

With all the hatred of socialism going around, I think it only fitting to point out that very few around here would like to live in a purely capitalistic society.

And you would be correct and on the other hand, no one here COULD live in a purely socialistic society. See, absolutes can go both ways.

 

[trplnkl]

To compare the Obama administration with Fascist governments is nonsense. WW2 Italy and Germany had total integration of the state and industry, a far cry from bailouts and temporary partial ownership. Try reading a few history books instead of regurgitating commentary from the usual conspiratory fruitcakes on the Right. My head isn't in the sand, and neither are those of Republicans. Theirs are in a place that is dark and rather stinky because the sun never shines there. Ours are in a place called reality.

LOL, and you said it was the republicans stuck in the past and our heads up out butts???

"WW2 Italy and Germany had total integration of the state and industry, a far cry from bailouts and temporary partial ownership." Did Germany and Italy become fascist over night in one grand swoop? Idon'tthinkso. one........step.......at.....a......time.

A comparison is a far cry from being exactly the same, but does set up for a liberal loon twist.

You say the "partial ownership(s)" are temporary? So far they don't look that way.

You self proclaim "reality" to be so proud of. The reality is that with nearly every move zer0bama makes he is directing us closer and closer to more socialism than we can survive.

Right now he is waffling back and forth on issues for campaign purposes. If he isn't re-elected he can't finish his obvious plan to socialize the USA.

 

[Catatonic]

With all the hatred of socialism going around, I think it only fitting to point out that very few around here would like to live in a Upurely capitalistic society.

I agree with that.
I posted yesterday that I like certain Social programs and late 1800 were a time of inequity even though that was not pure Capitalism and as I relayed to MFE, a free market is just a concept.
Socialism, Capitalism, Free Market, etc. are just intellectual concepts.
Any of them might work until you add humans to the equation.