Gas Prices

[The Other Side]

Did you not read the Yahoo article you posted?

The oil market is shifting considerably. Different players, different price points, different geopolitical aims.

I believe I pointed that out on my own thank you very much.

What I am talking about is price manipulation through the intentional shutting off of wells in the USA as a means to drive up the price of oil..

You on the other hand, are looking for an excuse to justify the oil market.

I am not.

TOS.

 

[wkmac]

I was being polite in deference to your status as resident forum intellect.

Never made that my status. That's an assumption on your part.

 

[wkmac]

Dish It out? cant take It?

Jerkball! Choose your words more carefully.

Wrong pal! Leave families out of it. What's between us is between us.

 

[brownmonster]

Almost time to fill up the Sierra for 40 bucks instead of 75.

I exaggerated. 39.89. 1.99 a gallon.

 

[moreluck]

MOO !!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I agree, but is it a lot different when it is your line they are crossing?

Good question.

 

[bbsam]

I believe I pointed that out on my own thank you very much.

What I am talking about is price manipulation through the intentional shutting off of wells in the USA as a means to drive up the price of oil..

You on the other hand, are looking for an excuse to justify the oil market.

I am not.

TOS.

Justify it? Why? It is what it is regardless justification. It's not nor even will be a "free market".

 

[soberups]

I'm not thrilled about low prices.

The American public has a short memory and if prices stay low we will start buying gas hogs again and then the next time there is some sort of crisis and prices jump back up you will see all these people whining and crying about how much$$ they are spending to fill up the Suburban or the Camaro they "depend" on for transportation. We got burned in 1974, we got burned in 1980, we got burned in 2008 and we will get burned again.

High fuel prices are what force a demand for efficient cars such as the Prius. High fuel prices force conservation. Call me weird, but I would like to leave some oil behind for my great-grandkids to use.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Gas hogs are a thing of the past due to the CAFE standards put in place by the Obama administration.

My hope is that my great grand kids would have no idea what a fossil fuel is, let alone have any use for it.

 

[ZQXC]

$1.95 here

 

[soberups]

Justify it? Why? It is what it is regardless justification. It's not nor even will be a "free market".

Correct.

A "free market" would require consumers to pay the full cost of their fuel at the pump. That means paying for environmental cleanup. That means paying up front for a constant military presence in the Middle East. In other words, pay as we go rather than simply borrowing money that our great grandchildren will have to pay back.

A "free market" would also allow consumers to choose fuels other than gasoline for their cars. We have some of the largest natural gas deposits on earth right here in the United States, as well as the capacity to make renewable fuels such as biodiesel, yet it is virtually impossible for the automotive consumer to purchase a vehicle that uses these fuels.

 

[soberups]

Gas hogs are a thing of the past due to the CAFE standards put in place by the Obama administration.

My hope is that my great grand kids would have no idea what a fossil fuel is, let alone have any use for it.

The car dealers in my town have no shortage of full-sized 4x4 trucks and muscle cars for sale.

I'm not a fan of CAFE standards. I would rather see an across-the-board $3 per gallon "deficit reduction tax" on fossil fuels, as well as loosening the EPA restrictions on hyper-efficient turbodiesels that can use renewable fuel. Want a gas-engined Humvee or a Lincoln Navigator that gets 8MPG? Go ahead and buy one, and pay thru the nose every time you fill 'er up. I will keep my Prius, or switch over to a VW Lupo that gets 80MPG on domestically-produced renewable biodiesel. CAFE standards are a joke when the same hyper-efficient cars that are widely available in Europe are banned here yet you can still buy an SUV with a gasoline-powered V8.

 

[bbsam]

I'm not thrilled about low prices.

The American public has a short memory and if prices stay low we will start buying gas hogs again and then the next time there is some sort of crisis and prices jump back up you will see all these people whining and crying about how much$$ they are spending to fill up the Suburban or the Camaro they "depend" on for transportation. We got burned in 1974, we got burned in 1980, we got burned in 2008 and we will get burned again.

High fuel prices are what force a demand for efficient cars such as the Prius. High fuel prices force conservation. Call me weird, but I would like to leave some oil behind for my great-grandkids to use.

I'd liketo see higher fuel taxes going directly to new and renewable fuels. I think it's being discussed on a "sliding scale".

 

[Babagounj]

The car dealers in my town have no shortage of full-sized 4x4 trucks and muscle cars for sale.

I'm not a fan of CAFE standards. I would rather see an across-the-board $3 per gallon "deficit reduction tax" on fossil fuels, as well as loosening the EPA restrictions on hyper-efficient turbodiesels that can use renewable fuel. Want a gas-engined Humvee or a Lincoln Navigator that gets 8MPG? Go ahead and buy one, and pay thru the nose every time you fill 'er up. I will keep my Prius, or switch over to a VW Lupo that gets 80MPG on domestically-produced renewable biodiesel. CAFE standards are a joke when the same hyper-efficient cars that are widely available in Europe are banned here yet you can still buy an SUV with a gasoline-powered V8.

Well stated .

The newer UPS cars show the actual mpg being used , many I see say 5.8-6.2 .

 

[oldngray]

Well stated .

The newer UPS cars show the actual mpg being used , many I see say 5.8-6.2 .

The newer package cars get worse mileage than the older ones.

 

[Babagounj]

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Call me weird, but I would like to leave some oil behind for my great-grandkids to use.

As what a novelty item ?

 

[oldngray]

Just leave a lump of coal in their Christmas stockings.

 

[soberups]

I'd liketo see higher fuel taxes going directly to new and renewable fuels. I think it's being discussed on a "sliding scale".

Biodiesel, ethanol or hydrogen from renewable/waste sources (not corn)---zero tax.
Clean Diesel made from domestically mined coal---.50 per gallon tax.
Domestically produced natural gas---.50 per gallon tax.
Conventional gasoline/diesel made from refined petroleum---$3 per gallon "deficit reduction" tax.
Adjust EPA standards to allow natural gas-powered and hyper-efficient biodiesel compatible vehicles like the VW Lupo (80MPG on biodiesel) to be sold here in the United States.

Let the free market decide. Want an 8MPG SUV? Buy one. Want an 80MPG Lupo? Buy one. Want to avoid the $3 per gallon tax? Buy a vehicle that allows you to do that. Or don't. Its called capitalism.

 

[The Other Side]

Justify it? Why? It is what it is regardless justification. It's not nor even will be a "free market".

That was MY point from the jump. I just included the "complications" that prove it.

TOS.

 

[oldngray]

Biodiesel, ethanol or hydrogen from renewable/waste sources (not corn)---zero tax.
Clean Diesel made from domestically mined coal---.50 per gallon tax.
Domestically produced natural gas---.50 per gallon tax.
Conventional gasoline/diesel made from refined petroleum---$3 per gallon "deficit reduction" tax.
Adjust EPA standards to allow natural gas-powered and hyper-efficient biodiesel compatible vehicles like the VW Lupo (80MPG on biodiesel) to be sold here in the United States.

Let the free market decide. Want an 8MPG SUV? Buy one. Want an 80MPG Lupo? Buy one. Want to avoid the $3 per gallon tax? Buy a vehicle that allows you to do that. Or don't. Its called capitalism.

When you start taxing at different rates for different types of vehicles it is no longer capitalism. You would be subsidizing one type of vehicle at the expense of another.