MAKAVELI
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There's these things called batteries......
Global warming
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floridays
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The guy is obviously more intelligent than you, he actually offers some substance to counter if one has the, "necessities", hat tip Al Campanis,
to do so.
floridays
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Are you buying into it?
Are we back to global warming?
In the seventies we were heading toward the next ice age.
I can't remember when they decided that was not correct and full speed ahead we were given "global warming."
After push back, which must have been compelling, they enter us into, climate change.
My only question, since "science" supposedly identified each, which one is it?
My opinion, yes the climate changes. Has been since creation.
Does man have anything to do with it?
Nothing that can be quantified or attributed exactly and solely to our acts.
It's all
MrFedEx
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Psuedoscience is what the Right has. For example, my local Libertarian radio host notes that we've had a cold winter, therefore, there cannot be global warming. Or Genius Trump notes that a bomb cyclone means that we cannot possibly have global warming. Weather is short-term, climate change is long-term.
It makes no difference to you because you've been taught that clean coal exists (it doesn't), and that there will always be technological advances that neutralize or eliminate pollutants. You believe it because it "sounds right". And that's because your "expert" knows exactly what it takes to convince you, and that's usually emotional appeals or just plain stupid "conclusions" drawn from faulty thought processes and/or cherry-picked data. You want to hear "facts" that mean you don't need to be concerned about the environment or the local coal mine down the road. They will happily peddle you BS pseudoscience that your simple mind can easily process into an end result that you need not do anything or think about it any longer.
For decades, the merchants of doubt, who are financed by industry, successfully convinced you that smoking wasn't necessarily a cause of cancer, that coal could be a clean fuel, and that burning massive amounts of petrochemicals aren't an issue. Some scientists will lie for enough money, and there are plenty of non-science types that will lie for less, and make it sound like they're telling you the truth.
In other words, you're a soft target intellectually and can be told almost anything false and easily convinced that it is true. Go on rolling coal, and dumping your used oil down the storm drain because it's not a problem.
You've got what it takes to be a Republican. Congratulations.
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It will be fine
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A study funded by the Koch brothers found renewable energy would be too costly? I’m shocked.
There's a TED Talk by a guy who's big in the environmental movement who explains why renewables won't work. He advocates for nuclear.
El Correcto
god is dead
Just like studies funded by the government find the answer is government.
Shocked.
It will be fine
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Who’s advocating more government? I find the contention that developing an energy infrastructure that doesn’t require fuel will somehow destroy the economy laughably stupid. It’s not surprising rubes believe it though, that’s what billionaires that make their money on the current system want you to believe.
Staydryitsraining
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Wanna save the earth? Nuke China and India. Everyone in the US could stop using their car and stop eating meat and stop using plastic of any kind tomorrow and it wouldnt make a shred of difference. Global warming??? The Earth goes through cycles, always has always will. No one knows what is going to happen or when. Global warming made people rich end of story it's about money always has been.
newfie
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too much hysteria here on this subject. in 5 years the market will be glutted with Solar and electric car options
floridays
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If renewable energy (whatever that is supposed to mean) was the answer, without destroying economies capitalism would be all over it. It isn't and they (capitalist) aren't.
At some period, alternative energy may be feasible, currently the technology does not exist to replace what fuels the global energy need. The preceding in bold red is not even up for discussion, it is undeniable.
Sportello
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Fossil fuels are subsidized by the US government to the tune of $20b/year, and that doesn’t include tax subsidies for land/mineral rights. I wonder what renewable energy programs could achieve with that amount of funding?
The fossil fuel industry is well established, renewable? Not so much.
El Correcto
god is dead
I got no problem with green energy being subsidized by lower taxes and write offs.
I don’t consider tax breaks subsidies. Every dollar made is not the governments, they didn’t produce that wealth.
Sportello
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If my company is allowed to mine/drill/frack on land my company can’t afford, that’s a pretty big gift.
floridays
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To get facts straight, the US government does not subsidize anything, they earn no income, they confiscate income. @Wrong, step in at anytime.
I have actual friends that get checks from energy companies for the extraction, from the earth of natural gas, and crude which is then refined into an energy source.
To get another fact straight, when energy is expended, it is expended. I stand to be corrected by you or anyone else. Therefore there is no renewable energy. Please correct me again.
Pertaining to governmental subsidies, if they exist, I do not like them. The definition of a subsidy resides in the person proffering the term, therefore I don't readily accept the usage.
I answered your post, answer mine that you responded to without offering new issues.
El Correcto
god is dead
I wish I had land with oil that I could allow someone to bring expensive equipment on, with workers and a plan to get to the resource. Then I could sit on my ass getting paid royalties for allowing some holes to be drilled and pipe laid.
floridays
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No pipes would have to be laid, only the well head unless you got a really biggun, and you won't in the lower 48.
Staydryitsraining
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Ask Obama he subsidized numerous "green" companies. They all went bankrupt
Sportello
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False. The program was a success, in spite of an over publicized failure of one company.
I’ll give you points for echoing propaganda, though.
And you're just trotting out what your side regurgitates. As if you're a scientist yourself. When AOC starts talking social justice amongst her Green New Deal articles of faith, we know it's about completely reordering the world, with Democrats in control, not saving the planet. All your climate change hysteria falls on deaf ears because we know it's about implementing the latest flavor of socialism.
